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should kids get to vote?
aol news ^ | Sept. 17 2003 | Geraldine Sealey

Posted on 09/18/2003 10:43:04 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Sept. 17 -- Americans may be getting used to the Terminator on the ballot. But can they handle his teenage fans in the voting booth?

Laura Finstad says yes. She works, pays taxes, and has been a political activist for years. And she's finally won the right to vote in the United States.

Her big accomplishment? Turning 18 last Saturday.

Finstad fumes about the law that made her wait so long and is campaigning for the voting rights of younger teenagers. The teen is gathering signatures for a petition to lower the voting age in suburban Takoma Park, Md.

"Young people have jobs, pay taxes, go to school to learn about government, and know about the issues," Finstad said. "We think 16 would be a fair age to be able to vote."

Supporters of lowering the voting age from 18, the national legal standard since the 26th Amendment was ratified 32 years ago, think the time for their issue has come. There's movement in several states and municipalities to give younger teens the right to vote.

In Baltimore, Md., 16- and 17-year olds voted in the mayoral primary on Sept. 9. An electoral quirk separated the primary from the general election by 14 months, and anyone who will be 18 during the general election was eligible to vote. Now, a prominent lawmaker wants to permanently extend the privilege to these younger teens.

The Cambridge, Mass., city council recently approved lowering the voting age to 17, and now the state legislature must approve the petition.

A Maine legislative panel in April approved, then reconsidered, extending voting rights to 17-year-olds. Similar legislation is being considered in Texas and California, and has been debated in Minnesota.

Youth voting rights advocates are also campaigning to lower the voting age in Florida, Hawaii, North Dakota, Anchorage, Alaska, and New York City.

Hot Topic Overseas, Too

The debate has caught momentum in Europe, as well, with Great Britain considering a proposal to lower the voting age from 18 to 16.

Globally, though, the most radical proposal to enfranchise youth belongs to Germany, where parliament will consider this fall giving children the vote from infancy, giving new meaning to the social policy "from cradle to grave."

Under the proposal, which would immediately increase the number of potential voters by 13.8 million, parents would vote on behalf of their children until they are 12, when the children could decide whether to allow their parents to vote for them.

A key rallying point for the German proposal is balancing out the political clout of the elderly, a growing demographic there, and boosting the political prowess of families. But U.S. advocates for youth voting rights say they're less interested in countering the power of the elderly than empowering people of all ages.

"The right to vote is essential, no matter who you are," said Alex Koroknay-Palicz, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based National Youth Rights Association.

Germany's proposal might be extreme, but supporters of youth voting rights here say it's a step in the right direction.

"As people begin to respect young people as individuals, parents will give children the right to cast their own ballot," Koroknay-Palicz said. "If it happens in Germany, it will change the law for the better. Then it will be a matter of changing the mindset and changing the culture."

Not Ready for Democracy?

Typically, youth voting rights supporters in the United States advocate lowering the voting age by a couple of years. They argue that teens often work, and should not be subject to taxation without representation, an American battle cry dating back to Boston Tea Party days.

Also, if teens went to the voting booth at younger ages, they would grow accustomed to casting ballots and more likely become habitual adult voters, advocates argue. Teens' political involvement would also boost the civic interest, and perhaps voter turnout, of their parents, say supporters of youth voting rights.

Critics of a younger voting age, however, say teens are not ready for democracy, and their participation as voters would not improve the electoral process.

"You're dealing with people who don't have any knowledge of or any stake in our democracy," said Curtis Gans, executive director of the Washington-based Committee for the Study of the American Electorate. "If they're lucky, they will have had one civics course before 16, and many won't have that. They're not parents, not homeowners, not raising children, and they're not in any responsible jobs."

Gans argues that younger voters are actually less likely than older citizens to make it to the ballot box on Election Day, so extending the vote to teens younger than 18 would damage already poor voter turnout.

Influence, With or Without the Vote

In Baltimore's mayoral primary last Tuesday, teens did not seem to be much of a factor in voter turnout. Approximately 2,400 16- and 17-year-olds registered to vote. Voter turnout was about 35 percent, matching the turnout for the most recent primary four years ago, the city elections office said.

Still, with 40 million young people between the ages of 12 and 19, teenagers should not be underestimated as a political force, says Sara Jane Boyers, author of 'Teen Power Politics.'

"They're thinking people. They're working, contributing and buying — they're a huge economic force," Boyers said.

Even when young people can't wield voting power, Boyers said, they can influence their parents' votes or use other political tools such as protests. "They want people to pay attention to them," she said.

With young, college-aged voters expected to be a swing vote in the 2004 presidential election, lowering the voting age could get more attention in the coming months. "I think it's going to continue to pick up steam," Koroknay-Palicz said.

"As people realize that young people have power in politics, they're going to key into their interests and desires. Lowering the voting age will come up as part of that."

09-17-03 11:49 EDT


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To: freepatriot32
Heck, since just about everything our government nannies do is "for the children" in one way or another, we might as well let the little darlings vote on it.
21 posted on 09/18/2003 11:13:44 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
the maturity and reasoning ability are not present

Is there some magical ceremony that occurs at age 17 years and 364 days that bestows this maturity?

And I'm not trying to insult...I'm just playing devil's advocate.

22 posted on 09/18/2003 11:14:33 AM PDT by TheBigB (I don't believe in Astrology. We Scorpios are skeptical.)
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To: JustAmy
I think voters should be paying taxes and supporting themselves before making decisions that affect all of us.

Anyone working legally, even part-time at age 16 or 17, has taxes taken out of his/her paycheck. And there are plenty of 18 to 22-year olds living at home and/or still schooling and dependent on parents. Should they not vote?

23 posted on 09/18/2003 11:16:19 AM PDT by TheBigB (I don't believe in Astrology. We Scorpios are skeptical.)
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To: TheBigB
So if an 18-year-old can vote, why not a 17-year-old? I'm not sure of my actual feeling on the topic, as I haven't thought about it much. But it seems like that would be a logical argument.

Sorry, but I don't think it's a logical argument. If 17-year-olds can vote, then why not 16-year-olds? And then why not 15? 14?

You have to make a cutoff SOMEwhere. My personal opinion is that 18 is a reasonable one. Perhaps there are a few people under 18 who are ready to vote, and perhaps there are also a few people over 18 who aren't. On the whole, however, 18 is a good, solid cutoff.

24 posted on 09/18/2003 11:18:24 AM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver
Sorry, but I don't think it's a logical argument. If 17-year-olds can vote, then why not 16-year-olds? And then why not 15? 14?

Okay, sure. But that's my point...and the reasoning was used to pass the legislation giving 18-year-olds the right to vote in the first place. If 21-year-olds can, why not 20? or 19? Or 18? 18 is generall seen as the arbitrary cutoff because that's the age most graduate high school and move on to college, where you're more-or-less "independent" for the first time. Which is fine...I mean, I agree that some cutoff should be used, but I think the whole "maturity" thing is off-base. There's no evidence that your average 18 year old is more mature that one who is 17 1/2 or 17 and 364 days or whatever.

25 posted on 09/18/2003 11:22:03 AM PDT by TheBigB (I don't believe in Astrology. We Scorpios are skeptical.)
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To: freepatriot32
If an 18-year-old is considered an adult in other area, why not let them vote and drink? Just don't call them "teenagers" when they commit a crime. I really think that we underestimate our young people and their capabilities today. Our treatment of them extends their childhood.

BTW, I am very conservative.
26 posted on 09/18/2003 11:27:46 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Do not wring or twist.)
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To: Bigg Red
area = areas
27 posted on 09/18/2003 11:28:24 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Do not wring or twist.)
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To: JustAmy
If they can't use the punch card ballot, they should not vote!!

And what's with ballots, anyway? Just give the voters a slip of paper and a golf pencil. Gotta wonder about people who wouldn't know who to vote for unless it's printed on a sheet in front of them. If someone can't remember who they're voting for, and spell the name correctly, he has no business voting.

28 posted on 09/18/2003 11:31:43 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: freepatriot32
no. I barely think women, other than myself, should vote.

Of course, I'm not talking about the intelligent women here on FR.
29 posted on 09/18/2003 11:31:46 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: freepatriot32
and should not be subject to taxation without representation, an American battle cry dating back to Boston Tea Party days.

I got news for ya, kids... Taxation *with* representation ain't all that great either.

30 posted on 09/18/2003 11:33:33 AM PDT by Ramius
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To: freepatriot32

31 posted on 09/18/2003 11:35:44 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Her big accomplishment? Turning 18 last Saturday.

She can already vote! Plus most kids are ignorant in the affairs of the world. Tell 'er to STFU....

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

32 posted on 09/18/2003 11:36:58 AM PDT by mhking (Don't mess in the affairs of dragons; For you are crunchy, and taste great with ketchup...)
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To: freepatriot32
If the voting age is lowered, the NEA will gladly educate the children on who to vote for.
33 posted on 09/18/2003 11:40:09 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: freepatriot32; mhking
good God, no!

Restrict the franchise to those who have supported themselves by the sweat of their own brows for a minimum of five consecutive years.
34 posted on 09/18/2003 11:41:54 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: freepatriot32
this is really really really coool!!!! It SOOOOOO should be the way it is....
35 posted on 09/18/2003 11:42:02 AM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: Mark Felton
I agree Mark
36 posted on 09/18/2003 11:42:08 AM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned) (Homeschool topics at designeduniverse.com)
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To: Kuksool
If the voting age is lowered, the NEA will gladly educate the children on who to vote for.


They would love that, (snicker)
37 posted on 09/18/2003 11:43:33 AM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned) (Homeschool topics at designeduniverse.com)
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To: eyespysomething
exactly what is Elmo (?) offering to the sheep to suckle??? And what is the blue guy doing... nevermind. the longer I look at this, the more obscene it appears.
38 posted on 09/18/2003 11:44:00 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: freepatriot32
Too many kids vote already.
39 posted on 09/18/2003 11:46:37 AM PDT by Consort
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To: freepatriot32
should kids get to vote?

Yes, on American Idol. Vote early and vote often :-)

40 posted on 09/18/2003 11:51:25 AM PDT by varon
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