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Home is no place for school - Homeschool Alert
USA Today Op Ed ^ | September 3, 2003 | Dennis Evans

Posted on 09/03/2003 8:29:31 AM PDT by Damocles

Home is no place for school
Wed Sep 3, 6:49 AM ET


By Dennis L. Evans 

The popularity of home schooling, while not significant in terms of the number of children involved, is attracting growing attention from the media, which create the impression that a "movement" is underway. Movement or not, there are compelling reasons to oppose home teaching both for the sake of the children involved and for society.

Home schooling is an extension of the misguided notion that "anyone can teach." That notion is simply wrong. Recently, some of our best and brightest college graduates, responding to the altruistic call to "Teach for America," failed as teachers because they lacked training. Good teaching is a complex act that involves more than simply loving children. Research on student achievement overwhelmingly supports the "common-sense" logic that the most important factor affecting student learning is teacher competency. While some parents may be competent to teach very young children, that competence will wane in more advanced grades as the content and complexity increases. 

But schools serve important functions far beyond academic learning. Attending school is an important element in the development of the "whole child." Schools, particularly public schools, are the one place where "all of the children of all of the people come together." Can there be anything more important to each child and thus to our democratic society than to develop virtues and values such as respect for others, the ability to communicate and collaborate and an openness to diversity and new ideas? Such virtues and values cannot be accessed on the Internet. 

The isolation implicit in home teaching is anathema to socialization and citizenship. It is a rejection of community and makes the home-schooler the captive of the orthodoxies of the parents.

One of the strengths of our educational system is the wide range of legitimate forms of public, private or parochial schooling available for parental choice.

With that in mind, those contemplating home teaching might heed the words of the Roman educator, Quintilian (A.D. 95). In opposing home schooling, he wrote, "It is one thing to shun schools entirely, another to choose from them."

Dennis L. Evans directs doctoral programs in education leadership at the University of California, Irvine.


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To: AnAmericanMother
I emailed privately with ideas but since the book chat is public, it's one of my favorite subjects too! My daughter loved NARNIA books at 7 and also read the OZ books by Baum, RAGGEDY ANN books by Gruelle, and Edward Eager's books such as SEVEN-DAY MAGIC and HALF MAGIC.

They aren't fantasies but the best series books I can think of for a 7-year-old girl are the BETSY-TACY books by Maud Hart Lovelace (they are loosely based on the author's childhood and are so beloved there is a Betsy-Tacy Society) and Laura Ingalls Wilder's books.
181 posted on 09/03/2003 3:25:15 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yes, I second the Kipling recommendation, my daughter discovered my husband's copies of the Just So Stories and loved them.
182 posted on 09/03/2003 3:26:18 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: nmh; AngryJawa
Poor Mr. Evans. Perhaps he hasn't noticed, but the "professional educators" he's training are failing miserably.

LOL! Then why is PUBLIC SCHOOL failing?

You're assuming that socialist educrats like Mr. Evans have the same measure of "success" as you do. Public schools aren't "failing" if they are doing exactly what they were intended to do...

183 posted on 09/03/2003 3:30:43 PM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: retrokitten
"According to her, "They are used to people!" and she pouted for hours after my brother told her get back in the $*!@&^# car before she got gored. "

Sometimes it is the hardest lessons from which we learn the most. Unfortunately, your sister-in-law was denied an education.

184 posted on 09/03/2003 3:36:27 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Damocles
Home schooling is an extension of the misguided notion that "anyone can teach." That notion is simply wrong.

How did the human race ever survive without so-called "experts" like this Evans chap?

The isolation implicit in home teaching is anathema to socialization and citizenship. It is a rejection of community and makes the home-schooler the captive of the orthodoxies of the parents.

You're absolutely right that this is about indoctrination. Clearly Evans believes that home-schooling makes the child not captive to the orthodoxies of the government, and that this is most dangerous.

185 posted on 09/03/2003 3:37:47 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: JohnGalt
There are only two good wars in American history, the first and second wars of independence.

So violence is sometime acceptable? You make little sense.

You believe, as the French liberals due

Your argument was due long time ago. Instead you call me liberal.

That is liberal logic.

And what is conservative logic? Whatever your logic is, it is not conservative. You are rabid pacifist when your rights are trampled, when your people are enslaved, when your women are raped. You are not conservative. You are not man. My people were enslaved for 400 years; liberty is not question of "social policy" but of life and death.

at is why I laughed out loud that you would bother to inter act with me in the first place.

I am not afraid of beligerant ignorance. But I can understand why most other people would not care to interact with you in first place.

If you are so uninterested in American history that you rely only on the gubmint's version of history, what really is the use?

You accuse me of laziness for following so-called government line, you are always quick to insult, but you offer no competitive interpretation and you refuse to respond to argument. It is very sad.

186 posted on 09/03/2003 4:03:02 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: JohnGalt
Please to explain contradiction

So long as you believe violence is a fair means to achieve an end, you have no business commenting on the American 'constituion.'

There are only two good wars in American history, the first and second wars of independence.

Are you saying by this that first and second wars of independence (whatever second war is, I don't know) were not violent? Or did they not have any ends in mind, you know, random nihilistic violence? And you suggest America should not have fought second world war? After battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor, America should have made surrender to Japan? You say you are conservative? Ha! Ralph Nader is Ronald Reagan next to you.

187 posted on 09/03/2003 4:10:30 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: GOPrincess
.. best series books I can think of for a 7-year-old girl are the BETSY-TACY books by Maud Hart Lovelace.

I liked those books!

188 posted on 09/03/2003 4:28:59 PM PDT by mafree
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To: lainie
We dont need indocturnation
we don't need your thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
HEY TEACHER,LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE
all in all,it's just another brick in the wall
All in all, we're just all bricks in the wall
r. waters
189 posted on 09/03/2003 5:01:14 PM PDT by Cheapskate (Careful what you carry, the man is wise!)
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To: Damocles
Ah Dr. Evans, maybe it's too late to get the money back for all that schooling indoctrination you attended and PISSED away all that money to become an overeducated MORON!

Just MHO

190 posted on 09/03/2003 5:17:06 PM PDT by SERE_DOC ("9 out of the 10 voices in my head told me to go home & clean my weapons!")
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To: Damocles
Dear Damocles,

The poor fellow is confusing teaching with personnel management. I'm sure that many fail teaching in schools, with 25, 35, 40 children or more in a single class.

But a handful around the kitchen table will be better educated there, nine times out of ten, than in any school.


sitetest
191 posted on 09/03/2003 5:18:02 PM PDT by sitetest (The dirty little secret is that we were created to be our children's teachers.)
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To: GOPrincess; WOSG
The very best thing about a public book chat is that everyone can chime in with ideas. And this is definitely on topic - all the best education begins with good books as language is how we all communicate.

I absolutely agree re L. Frank Baum. A little off the wall in addition to his regular Oz books are his American Fairy Tales. Also, several excellent authors picked up the series after Baum's untimely death - Ruth Plumly Thompson wrote the most, but Jack Snow and John R. Neill wrote a couple also. Gruelle's books are adorable, and for a similar (but quirkier) illustrator, anything written or illustrated by Peter Newell (who did amazing offbeat illustrations for Alice in Wonderland).

I have always loved Edward Eager - The Thyme Garden and Half Magic are my favorites.

Betsy-Tacy is a little too pedestrian for me (although they are charming little books, I tended to enjoy the "boy's" adventure stories more as a child. They are very nostalgic pictures of the old rural (upper?) Midwest in the 1890s. The Wilder books are more exciting (prairie fires, floods, bears, Indians), other books in the same vein (family life around the turn of the century) are the One-of-a-Kind Family stories (a close knit Jewish family in Lower East Side New York, or it may be Brooklyn, can't remember), the Melendy family books, and the Moffat family books.

I wonder if she wouldn't like Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories. I got hooked on those around age 7 or 8, started with the short stories and moved on to the long novels (The Hound of the Baskervilles is still my favorite - what a thriller). If she likes Doyle (and he is good, clear incisive writer with a gift for dialogue) she can move on to his historical novels. He wrote Holmes to make money - he wrote his historical novels for love. The very best is probably The White Company, about a mercenary company of English archers in the 14th century Spanish wars.

Oh - and Robert Louis Stevenson, got to read Treasure Island. Best pirate story ever written (and Howard Pyle is the best illustrator of it.) If she is interested in Scotland, she should read Kidnapped, very exciting story of kidnapping, murder and derring-do in 18th century Scotland. There is a sequel to Kidnapped, called Catriona in England and David Balfour in America, but it is more of an adult novel of political/legal intrigue and manners and would probably not interest a child (I read it as a kid but didn't appreciate it until I was 22 and in law school.)

192 posted on 09/03/2003 6:22:05 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: SERE_DOC
I have a friend in Tennessee who is a bio professor at UT. His views of homeschooling were so similar to yours until I got him to play chess with my seven year old. He thought it was a joke all the while, at his home, using his marble chess set that he proudly displays in his living room. It took two moves from our seven year old and the game became suddenly serious.
193 posted on 09/03/2003 6:40:46 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: SERE_DOC
Sorry, I forgot to add that this is what I sent to Evans
194 posted on 09/03/2003 6:42:26 PM PDT by wwcj
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To: AnAmericanMother
Excellent suggestions! You're thinking of the ALL-OF-A-KIND FAMILY books by Sidney Taylor -- wonderful family stories and very educational regarding Jewish customs. The Melendys and Moffatts are favorites here too!

Another favorite about a young girl is UNDERSTOOD BETSY by Dorothy Canfield Fisher. A charming story.

My oldest daughter reads everything but tends to prefer the boys "adventure" books too, as well as the fantasies and mysteries -- she loved the BLACK STALLION series when she was younger. She read all the Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes books when she was around 11. When she was younger than that she liked to listen to some recorded Conan Doyle my husband had, especially THE FIVE NAPOLEONS. Now she watches the Jeremy Brett series on DVD. :) At 14, she's reading stuff like THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK, THE MALTESE FALCON, and THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER -- she also read 4 Shakespeare plays this summer! Every couple summers I offer to my children purchasing books of their choice (a win-win "reward" program!) in return for reading a certain number of "harder" books, my goal being to expose them to new things they otherwise might not try. Got her hooked on Austen that way two years ago, and this summer she read two Shakespeare plays of her own volition after earning her free books :). I'll have to suggest TREASURE ISLAND to her since she's been enthused about PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN this summer.

My younger daughter is more like me, most liking "girlish" books like Alcott and "family" stories. We've just begun our homeschool year and she is on her first-ever read of CHARLOTTE'S WEB as part of the program.

I've always liked Lois Lenski's books -- BLUEBERRY CORNERS and INDIAN CAPTIVE: THE STORY OF MOLLY JEMISON are two favorites. Some of Carolyn Haywood's books are perhaps on the "young" side for someone who can also handle C.S. Lewis, but if she's like my daughter she'll gobble up anything -- they are sweet stories and one in particular, PRIMROSE DAY, stands out in my mind as it was so "educational," about English children sent to Canada for their safety during WWII.

Always fun to "talk books" and get new ideas, I've printed your list!
195 posted on 09/03/2003 6:54:51 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: GOPrincess
I have TWO copies of Understood Betsy - one to keep and one to lend.

And Lenski's Small books were among the first I ever read.

Sorry about All-of-a-Kind Family - brain fade - :-)

Jane Austen is of course marvellous - Persuasion is my favorite. For a quirky little bit of writers-writing-about-writers, Kipling wrote a couple of short stories about a Jane Austen fan club in the trenches in WWI . . . all mixed up with a London Masonic lodge that opened its doors to soldiers on leave . . . he also wrote a wonderful poem about Jane Austen in heaven, here.

If she likes Austen, you might have her give Anthony Trollope a shot -- he is the mid to late 19th century equivalent. A grouchy old bear of a man with a heart of gold and brilliant powers of observation. I would start her with The Warden and move on to Barchester Towers and Framley Parsonage. Like Austen, he's interested in society and manners and human interaction . . . he additionally adds intrigue in the Church of England as one of his perennial topics. Bishop Proudie and his horrible, horrible wife are amazingly drawn -- the encounter between Mrs. Proudie and the egregious Stanhope family (especially the daughter Contessa Vesey Neroni) is a comic masterpiece.

Of course we've read Little Women -- I have the copy my great-grandmother gave to my mother, with precious old fashioned illustrations by Clara M. Burd -- but some of her others, like Eight Cousins, An Old Fashioned Girl, and Under the Lilacs are great stories too.

I think of Noel Streatfeild in the same category as Carolyn Haywood -- she wrote a couple of stories about children in London during the Blitz and I think she also wrote another Thursday's Child about an orphan girl living on a canal boat in England. She is out of fashion but she really writes well. Her "Shoes" books ("Dancing Shoes", "Theater Shoes", "Skating Shoes") delve into the nuts and bolts of theatrical and performance work and outline very well the stresses and strains of competition, auditions, etc. And they are realistic - not every child succeeds in the way he or she expects, and often the one who isn't expected to do well blossoms out in an unexpected way (the girl who can't dance discovers she can act - the girl who takes up skating for her health finds an unexpected talent in technical figures - and so forth). The prima donnas almost always have their comeuppance - I imagine those books have occasionally discouraged a child from behaving like a spoiled brat.

If she likes The Man in the Iron Mask she ought to enjoy Baroness Orczy's Scarlet Pimpernel

196 posted on 09/03/2003 7:16:45 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I have my mother's EIGHT COUSINS with Clara Burd illustrations -- *wonderful*, every time I look at those pictures I'm carried back to my childhood. My favorite Alcott illustrations of all, though, are by Beatrice Stevens for JACK AND JILL -- I searched for years for the "Orchard House" edition I had read at the library as a girl, and finally found it!

I read some of the SHOES books as a child but for some reason they didn't make a lasting impression -- I really owe them a reread, especially as I love Britain, the arts, and skating. My daughter has two or three of the books on her shelf. I know we have THURSDAY'S CHILD, picked up from a library discard sale, and neither of us have read it yet, so that's a good place to start.

We certainly seem to be "kindred spirits" when it comes to books :). Have you read Elswyth Thane? Her Williamsburg books and TRYST are my favorites. Visiting Historic Williamsburg and Yorktown this summer was a thrill.

My daughter *loved* THE SCARLET PIMPERNEL, she read it the same summer she first read Austen. Did Baroness Orczy write more books? I've been meaning to look that up for her and never got around to it. (Adventure books aren't my strong suit!) I haven't read Trollope myself, perhaps she and I can try those together :). Thanks for the suggestion, they sound interesting -- the CofE plotlines are certainly timely given what's going on these days (I'm a conservative Episcopalian...).

Thanks much for the great ideas! :)
197 posted on 09/03/2003 8:08:57 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: GOPrincess
I think the Baroness also wrote "Lady Molly of Scotland Yard" and quite a number of short stories.

I'll look for Elswyth Thane. I'm a Dorothy Sayers fan myself.

I'm a conservative Episcopalian too - Trollope had it easy he would burst a blood vessel if he could see the state his church is in now - his big conflict was between the old-fashioned "high but not Oxford Movement" churchmen and the Evangelical "low churchmen". (Trollope hated Evangelicals with a passion, not because of their doctrine but because of the way they forced their views on others, especially Sabbath observance. Many of his villains, from Mr. Slope, Bishop Proudie's slimy chaplain, to the Reverend Emilius (who is a bigamist and a murderer IIRC) are Evangelicals.)

I just finished re-reading The Last Chronicle of Barset which contains Trollope's most finished psychological study - Mr. Crawley the perpetual curate of Hogglestock - probably based to some degree on Trollope's father but with a happy ending that his father never obtained . . . but you have to read the other Barsetshire novels first because the last one ties up many loose ends from the other books and you'll be all at sea wondering just who Dean Arabin and the Archdeacon and Mr. Harding are . . . I am most impressed with the Archdeacon (a good friend and a bad enemy) but Mr. Harding is the man I would most like to know, and Mr. Crawley would be the man to study Latin, Greek, and Hebrew under . . . but you would have to be quick!

As Catriona Drummond umwhile Macgregor said to David Balfour in the middle of that novel, "My torture! Look at the sun!" The hour is late and I'll have to head off for bed -- good night all.

198 posted on 09/03/2003 8:24:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Damocles
"The isolation implicit in home teaching is anathema to socialization and citizenship. It is a rejection of community and makes the home-schooler the captive of the orthodoxies of the parents."
Isolation? Why yes!: We keep our children in a windowless room, and never allow them to leave the house,so as to keep them away from the influence of others. Just like all other home schoolers we know! We abstain from everything and everyone; that is the whole point of homeschooling you know! Insisting that our childern actually learn anything without the anoying distractions of disruptive students who cannot be effectively controlled, or being nannied by a State teacher who may or may not care to do his or her job,or who could have morals that are incompatable to ours at home, and beign powerless to do any thing to correct the situation, is only an excuse to do lasting damage to the little beings we created and say that we care for so much!
Rejection of Community? No way! We love all people; even if they dont love us back. After all;We were products of the wonderfull Public school ourselves. We have been there and done that,and have decided not to do that to our kids. We love our neighbors and try to be involved with the community as much as possible. But putting kids in the public schools today is akin to leaving a toddler alone in a zoo for 7 hours unattended and expecting nothing bad to come of it. You may luck out on the first day, but it will eventually impact the child in a most negative way.
Concerning rejection; It is we the homeschoolers who have been rejected by society and the community at large because we dare expect our childern to live by a slightly higher standard than society wants to obtain,( educationally, Socially and Spiritually) and we are doing it in spite of the hurdles that the state and the community is throwing at us!
199 posted on 09/03/2003 9:10:50 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare
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To: HungarianGypsy
I tried to teach my son cursive writing when he was in fourth grade, but he wasn't ready for it. I tried to teach my daughter two years later, same result. I really worried at the time that they weren't learning what the other kids did. However, I left them alone for a couple of years and now they both write very neatly in cursive. I believe that children have to mature at their own pace when it comes to things like writing. Also, I think that most of the time the average American citizen is asked to print everything that they have to fill out, applications etc. Cursive writing was used for letter writing back before the technological advances of today. JMO
200 posted on 09/04/2003 5:47:36 AM PDT by texpat72
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