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Schwarzenegger Would "Do Damage" to Republican Party Suggests Political Analyst
LifeSite.net ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/30/2003 6:14:46 AM PDT by miltonim

Social conservatives have a viable candidate in McClintock

TORONTO, August 28, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Steve Jalsevac, a long-time political analyst with Campaign Life Coalition Canada suggests that were actor Arnold Schwarzenegger to capture the Republican Governorship of California it would mean political damage for the Republican Party. "A core constituency within the Republican Party is its social conservatives, most importantly those who are pro-life and pro-family. Schwarzenegger is so obviously a liberal on social issues, his running as a Republican reeks of opportunism and demeans the party's integrity," said Jalsevac.

Republicans have another capable candidate in the race who is considered authentically conservative. California State Sen. Tom McClintock, first elected to the State Assembly in 1982, is also running. McClintock ran for state controller last year and lost by a margin of 0.3% to a Democrat. In that race, McClintock captured more votes than any other Republican on the ballot. In an interview with Human Events released today, McClintock acknowledges that he is pro-life and pro-family and willing to act legislatively on those convictions.

"As we have seen so many times in Canadian politics, conservative parties are usually a delicate balance between fiscal and social conservatives, and where fiscal conservatives are so insensitive as to alienate social conservatives, the Party suffers debilitating division," Jalsevac told LifeSite News. "Arnold may well give the Republicans Governorship of another state, but his strong liberal stance on social issues will damage Party unity and weaken critical differences in policy between the two major parties."

On a radio talk show yesterday, Schwarzenegger attempted to appear less offensive to social conservatives saying that he is pro-choice, but against "partial-birth" abortion; that he supports current domestic-partnership law but not gay 'marriage'". However, Schwarzenegger's Republican strategist Allan Hoffenblum was candid about the actor's negligible chances of appealing to social conservatives. Speaking of "family-value types", Hoffenblum said, "that is the group that is least likely to vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger regardless."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnoldthepervert; california; getlostarnold; recall; recallarnold; schwarzenegger; schwarzenkennedy; whoinhellisjalsevac
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To: miltonim
LOL! This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time!
41 posted on 08/30/2003 7:39:31 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: miltonim
Good point. Giuliani sure did damage to the GOP in NY, right? Arnold is very similar to Giuliani in his views.

Another person trying to give us Governor Bustamonte.

42 posted on 08/30/2003 7:40:10 AM PDT by Defiant (I am Taglinus Maximus. I do not entertain!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
As I understand it, Arnold wants to pay for programs by lowering taxes to grow the economy, much as Ronald Reagan did.

Like they say, "The Devil is in the details." I don't believe Arnie has spelled out in detail what he plans to do about anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sure his demoRat advisor, Warren Buffet will have some major imput in Arnie's plan.

44 posted on 08/30/2003 7:44:51 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: miltonim
How is Arnold any different than Pete Wilson? Wilson was/is pro-choice.
45 posted on 08/30/2003 7:45:05 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Russ7
Back your favorite up to a point and then count heads. Get behind the guy who has the best chance of winning. Hold your nose if you must. Improve once you've WON!!

The only problem with your (kind of) philosophy here is that it further weakens the core of the G.O.P. in the long run as it has done so many times in the recent past. All one has to do is look at what depths the Republican Party has already sunk to by adopting a "win at any cost", "winning is everything" or "the end justify the means" mentality. IMO Arnold is far far left of center and will govern even farther left, so far left that he would eventually damage the Republican Party.

I suspect Republicans would be better off to let the Dems keep this office for now and allow California to sink even further into the red than it is now and hit the Dems in the next normal election cycle and vett a real Republican, at least more than Arnold and his liberal entourage, at least one that is to the center or slightly right of center. Arnold is just so far left that real Republicans (conservatives) should shun him like the plague.

I also do not believe that having Arnold(Rep) as Gov. would be that much help to Bush either in '04. This is just so much hype.

46 posted on 08/30/2003 7:46:31 AM PDT by Ron H. (I'm a LoneStarConservative.net)
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To: Defiant
Arnold is very similar to Giuliani in his views

Horse manure. Giuliani was a law and order mayor who cracked down hard on the "anything goes" social liberal mentality that was destroying NYC. Porn freaks, pimps, youth gangs, drug abusers and other fave social liberal victim groups got tough love with a size 12 right upside their permissive posteriors.

Arnie is more akin to the feckless, mewling Bloomberg, who is busy undermining and destroying Giuliani's legacy with gay high schools and other social liberal rot.

Giuliani wasn't perfect, but despite his rhetoric he often did the right thing.

47 posted on 08/30/2003 7:47:36 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Cboldt
Advocating separate federal and state powers; and advocating that powers not be used to promote social [ist] liberalism are not inconsistant stands.

True enough as amended. However our RepubloCratic statists on this board advocate that state powers can be used to 'regulate/control' [read prohibit] our liberties.

Sometimes the federal government oversteps, sometimes the state oversteps (referring to the use of tax money for the promotion of social liberalism). THe fact that the federal bill of rights was designed to limit federal powers only does not create hypocracy.

Our rights in the bill of rights are not just 'federal'. They are inalienabe human rights.
IE -- The state of CA contents that they have the power to prohibit weapons. Your friends here agree. Do You?

48 posted on 08/30/2003 7:48:52 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: Hildy
Well, of course it would damage the Republican Party. We certainly can't have the Republican Party actually win any races out here on the coast now. That would ruin everything we've worked so hard to establish -- you know, that absolutely perfect doctrine that we can roll out every couple of years.
49 posted on 08/30/2003 7:51:53 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: miltonim
Oh, ok, Steve Jalsevac says so, it must be true.
50 posted on 08/30/2003 7:52:13 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamonte wins)
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To: Walkin Man
Yeah, there was the Warren Buffet incident which earned him a glare and a public censure, but Arnold also has George Schultz as an economic advisor, too, which carries a lot of conservative weight. His first statements after announcing his candidacy were that he wants to grow the economy, which can only happen when the business climate improves by removing governmental taxes, restrictions, and over-regulations.
51 posted on 08/30/2003 7:55:00 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: zook
What Republican party in NY?

Bloomberg took over from Rudy.

Bloomberg Republicans can only help Democrats
52 posted on 08/30/2003 7:55:11 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: notorious vrc
Too bad your premise is false.
54 posted on 08/30/2003 7:59:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California: Where government is pornography every day!)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Well, if you *do* have a Republican Party win races...make sure it does it with a candidate who's views are those of a traditional Democrat.

I'm not sure how you can claim that as a Republican win.
55 posted on 08/30/2003 7:59:53 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: miltonim
All this bickering among Republican candidates will do is get a RAT elected. IF Arnold gets elected, and its a BIG if, he might just surprise ALL his conservative critics.
57 posted on 08/30/2003 8:11:46 AM PDT by teletech (Have we dug up Saddam yet?)
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To: Maelstrom
Maybe you don't think there are any differences between Arnold's position and that of traditional Democrats-- but why don't stop talking to people who only think like you do and ask a Democrat if there are any differences (there are plenty around)?

And you'll get an earfull of differences: Starting with property taxes, car license taxes, environmental policy (no they aren't at all impressed with his statement about oil-drilling off California -- that doesn't go anywhere NEAR far enough for them), benefits for illegals, hell -- they don't even like his statements on gays and abortion -- because he doesn't go anywhere near FAR ENOUGH for them. Ask them, they'll tell you.

Arnold may be well left of you...but he's light-years to the right of Bustamante and Davis and their consticuencies. The problem with doctrinaire conservatism is that it thinks the political scale only goes off to the left about 5 inches from where they are. The Greens will certainly show you the error of your ways. And if your next Governor is not Arnold, it's going to be someone working day and night to make the Greens [not to mention the illegals] happy.

58 posted on 08/30/2003 8:13:05 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: tpaine
Not trying to pick a fight, or resolve the human dilemma of when an individual or group should "Declare Independence." I was calling you on your statement that a certain pair of expressions was evidence of hypocracy.

A quick lesson in the meaning of "inalienable." It means "can't be sold or given away." You can't give your life to a dead person, you can't give your liberty to an incarcerated person, and you can't take your happiness and force an unhappy person to be happy. The fact that some things are inalienable is just a fact, no matter how eloquently expressed.

Of course humans can (and do) defend themselves, sometimes using weapons. There is no way to keep a person from doing so, period. So, the "right" to self defense is inalienable. It's going to happen, no matter how much talk to the contrary.

I personally think that many states have, and certainly the federal government has, miscontrued the 2nd amendment. But "power" is a funny thing. One can't know which side has more, until the battle is over.

59 posted on 08/30/2003 8:13:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: miltonim; kattracks
The title is correct. I would add that the voters who are with out logic, principles or any understanding of our needs as a nation, are doing more damage. This sad Arnold sham is reason enough to reverse the universal franchise-I recall the author of the novel, On the Beach, pen name, Nevill Shute ( http://www.nevilshute.org/ ), had a wonderful formula for voting. One's vote was weighted by accomplishment-real accomplishment.

We used to discourage fools from voting-requirements like literacy & comprehension of historical documents. Now we pay fools ( 'street money' in the NorthEast )& bus them to the polls. No wonder we see such awful results.

This also means that Hitlary may by entirely viable-we may see our end sooner than we think. You see, I would love to love The Arnold-but he is hollow & has a very dark past-it is also the behavior of the masses which frighten me.

With apologies to any who disagree-I see nothing good in The Arnold. What was his story in the 'men's magazine'-sex is fun, any sex with anyone? Was that the jist of his interview?
60 posted on 08/30/2003 8:32:39 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman (Impossible and Radically Idealist Notions; Strict Constructionist; prickly; quarrelsome.)
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