[Rockitz]

I gladly welcome your comments.

[Bikers4Bush]

"First, let me say that I believe that those who do venture to this country are
among the brightest and hardest working individuals that the world has to offer."

You lost me after that.

[Rockitz]

Ping!

[netmilsmom]

I think many people here will agree with you.
However this thread will be moved to chat and will die there.
Good thought though.

[boris]

"First, let me say that I believe that those who do venture to this country are among the brightest and hardest working individuals that the world has to offer."

Yeah, a real absurd beginnning.

Are they rocket scientists?

I got my own personal plan. It's real easy to understand and it comes in neat short paragraphs unlike the turgid drivel of your posting.

1. Seal the borders using National Guard troops.

2. Plant a one-mile wide strip of land mines along the border with Mexico.

3. Amend the Constitution to make it clear that citizenship depends upon patrimony, not locale. In other words, if either of your parents is a citizen, so are you; if neither are citizens then the only route to citizenship is via naturalization.

4. Round up and deport every single illegal.

5. Before doing so, apply a tattoo on each illegal's left buttock. Say the INS logo. "Amigo, we find you here again with this tattoo, we summarily execute you." And mean it. And DO it, with cameras rolling. Broadcast the first few executions on Mexican TV; I guar-un-tee it'll make the eager multitudes think twice.

Hows that for a plan? My advice: stick to "rockitz".

--Boris

[hang 'em]

1) Mine the borders.

2) Put cash bounties on illegal aliens (i.e. a citizen gets say $100 for ratting out an illegal)

3) Bounties on businesses that hire illegals.

Problem solved.

[Rockitz]

Ping!

[Imagine]

(COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY. Revise and extend as you see fit, start a movement, print a petition, start a political party, confront your legislators, write letters, post posters, drop leaflets, demand, demand, demand…)

18 POINT ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Individuals of Islamic faith (muslims) from any country shall be denied immigration privileges or entry into the US. Christians and Jews from muslim countries fleeing religious persecution shall receive preferential and accelerated immigration privileges.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every six (6) months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning, and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) Border violators and GWV workers shall be prohibited from voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the F/S attends school full-time. F/S shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be treated then incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment and confinement.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason (including temporary visitor, school or work visas,) shall not be eligible for citizenship as circumstances of birth, nor shall the parents or parent’s family members (relatives) be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such births.

[Capt. Tom]

First, let me say that I believe that those who do venture to this country are among the brightest and hardest working individuals that the world has to offer.

What a dream world you live in. That statement might have been revelant before the welfare state when most of our ancestors arrived legally to sink or swim - but not today.

Many today are coming for the welfare and healthcare benefits which are extended to illegal immigrants. Also the US is a great place to sell drugs. Our prisons and crime rates show what todays illegal immigrant is made of.

Spare me the anecdote of the hard working taxpaying immigrant, they are more than offset by the scum of other societies who don't want to become Americans, just US citizens for the Government benefits, and the right to vote for the socialists who will get them someone elses money. - Tom

[FreePaul]

The first thing and engineer has to do to solve a problem is understand the nature of the problem. Your first sentence indicates that you don't understand the problem.

[FreePaul]

Sorry but in my previous post I should have said "second sentence."

[Theo]

First, let me say that I believe that those who do venture to this country are among the brightest and hardest working individuals that the world has to offer. Certainly it takes a special person to consciously decide to make such a radical change in their life.

When a burgler breaks into your home to steal your TV and rape your wife, they are, by your definition, "a special person." Such a radical change they've made....

Perhaps illegally coming into our country is the first of many illegal acts. Perhaps its one of a continuing number of illegal acts.

Why are you and so many other people so BLIND to the FACT that ILLEGAL means ... um ... ILLEGAL?

Repeating the obvious is so boring and tiring.... Repeat after me: "I-L-L-E-G-A-L" spells what?

[moehoward]

"First, let me say that I believe that those who do venture to this country are among the brightest and hardest working individuals that the world has to offer."

Using this as an opener would clear the room.

The rest of your solution seems to be a "subtitute the income tax with a VAT style tax" argument. Not much of a solution on the millions of law breakers that have, and will continue, to come to America.

Post #7 is a solution with a little more teeth IMO.

[rdb3]

This topic, and its subsequent threads, bring out the worst discourse at FR.

[Joe Hadenuf]

First, let me say that I believe that those who do venture to this country are among the brightest and hardest working individuals that the world has to offer

Bull shit.

[spirit_free]

I believe the first few sentences that you wrote have been dealt with, so may I just throw in an additional thought here that you may want to ponder. If you are a true conservative then I assume you would NOT want to add a national Value Added Tax on top of our current Federal Income Tax. To have both would be (shudder) unthinkable.

Please reconsider your stance on taxing the nation as well as your thoughts on immigration. Any immigrant here ILLEGALLY is a criminal and should be treated as such. Just because they pay taxes while they break our laws does not make it acceptable.

We, as a nation, need 'leaders' ... not more politicians, so you might consider not pandering.

[N. Theknow]

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I have gotten about 20 emails advertising this website and working in the USA.

[genefromjersey]

Let's see: Britain and Canada have the VAT. Canada seems to have become a magnet for immigrants, because it offers full social services and living allowances just about as soon as you sneak acrosss the border.

I know the liberals hate VAT and sales taxes of all kinds,because they say they are a "regressive" tax, that affects the poor more than the rich.

[gubamyster]

Have fun.

[grania]

They're invaders. Don't refer to these criminals as any kind of "immigrants". If they are such hard workers, let them go to their homelands and expend their efforts there.

The only solution is a wall and a DMZ on our southern border, complete with guards...lots of them. Anyone who knowingly hires them or in anyway assists in their entry, continued presence, and/or employment should see serious fines and jail time.

Skip this "oh, those hard workers" nonsense. They're here for one reason. To undermine the benefits and salaries of US workers.

Is this the kind of "input" you were looking for? <^..^>

[taxed2death]

My solution....no new taxes, no land mines, there is actually very little to nothing needed......except one simple thing.



Enforce the laws that are currently on the books.

It's really that simple.

This goes from the top on down. No more "selective" law enforcement. No more turning a blind eye like our idiot President is so fond of doing. From the Top down, "El Presedente' Jorge Boooosh" needs to set an example for all law enforcement to follow.....all the way down to a rookie patrolman who pulls you over and askes you for ID.


If I'm pulled over and cannot produce a valid ID, I get a free trip down town. Illegals don't even get asked in many cases, because the cops suspect they're here illegally.