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Glaciers Dominated LA Skyline (5,000 Years Ago)
Discovery News ^ | 8-27-2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 9:40:09 PM PDT by blam

Glaciers Dominated L.A. Skyline Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News

The San Gorgonio Mountains

Aug. 27, 2003 — Despite its palm-lined boulevards, Hollywood was just miles from glaciers as little as 5,000 years ago, according to California geologists.

Using a new technique to measure how long glacier-strewn boulders have been ice-free, geologist Lewis Owen of the University of California at Riverside and colleagues have discovered there were several glacial periods on San Gorgonio Mountain immediately northeast of Los Angeles.

"The ultimate aim is to determine the fluctuation of the ice sheets and climate during the last glacial period," Owen said. That, in turn, might help sort out how future global climate changes could play out on local climates.

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Among the more puzzling aspects of the Los Angeles area glaciers is that they existed at a time when the much higher, colder and more northern Sierra Nevada mountain range was glacier-free, according to Alan Gillespie, a Sierra Nevada glacier specialist at the University of Washington in Seattle.

"Glaciers on San Gorgonio may define a different chronology of glacier advances than in the Sierra Nevada, only 250 kilometers north," Gillespie explained.

The seemingly contradictory existence of glaciers in Southern California at a time when the Sierra Nevada had none probably had a lot to do with the temperatures and where the jet stream funneled storms, according to Owen.

"The jet stream was being pushed further south (during the colder epoch)," Owen said. "That brings in very high moisture supply."

Combined with the six- to eight-degree cooler temperatures, conditions were enough to allow pile-up after pile-up of snow on the cool, shady northern slopes of San Gorgonio that lasted year-round. Eventually that snow compacted into glaciers that carved out steep valleys on the mountainside.

It wouldn't take much additional moisture because perennial snows have been seen on San Gorgonio even recently during wet El Nino years, according to Owen.

"This result, if true, suggests that California experienced strong regional variations in climate on the scale of a few hundred kilometers," Gillespie said, "variations that do not occur to the same degree today."

Owen and his team conducted their research by first mapping out the glacial moraines — the piles of rocks and boulders dropped by the glaciers when they melted. They then employed a dating technique that relies on cosmic rays breaking down elements in the rocks when they are exposed to the open sky.

The longer a rock is ice-free and exposed to the sky, the more elements are broken down by cosmic rays. The amounts of changed elements, and hence the time the rock has been sitting ice-free, can be measured with modern laboratory instruments.


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KEYWORDS: dominated; glaciers; godsgravesglyphs; la; skyline

1 posted on 08/28/2003 9:40:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: farmfriend
For fun.
2 posted on 08/28/2003 9:40:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
SPOTREP - this is consistent with an Ice Age engendered by a Global Flood reputedly occurring sometime just before that!
3 posted on 08/28/2003 9:42:15 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: blam
More proof of global warming!
4 posted on 08/28/2003 9:45:02 PM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: blam
Only 5000 years ago. You would think I would remember that...
5 posted on 08/28/2003 9:46:28 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: blam
Soon to be the next blockbuster disaster movie, just in time for Christmas.
6 posted on 08/28/2003 9:46:30 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: blam
Hmmmnn, I wonder if what they are really telling us that it was man, the polluter, who multiplied and may have freed us up from an enternal ice age.
7 posted on 08/28/2003 9:53:39 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: blam
From my deck up on the hill I have a view of the Hollywood sign, the downtown skyline and (far off) the ocean. This is something I will have to ponder. Thanks for the post.
8 posted on 08/28/2003 9:54:24 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Why is the Left afraid of Arnold?)
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To: blam
'(tap tap tap) finger tapping. "So, when are those glaciers due back?"
9 posted on 08/28/2003 9:57:09 PM PDT by natewill (Start the revolution NOW!)
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; bd476; carenot; CatoRenasci; ckilmer; curmudgeonII; dorothy; ellery; ..
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
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10 posted on 08/28/2003 10:02:47 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
I always knew LA was a giant ice hole
11 posted on 08/28/2003 10:42:26 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: blam
I have seen years when there is snow on San Gorgonio all Summer. That mountain is a killer, it is 11,500' tall and there have been many airplane crashes on it's flanks including Dean Martin's Son and Frank Sinatra's mother.
12 posted on 08/28/2003 11:34:25 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (This space to let.)
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To: farmfriend
Please add me to your list. Last week, I was at Ban Chiang Thailand where 5000 years ago people were making pottery, cultivating rice and living in stable communities. I wander what the people in the LA area were doing?
13 posted on 08/29/2003 12:11:34 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
Consider yourself added. Thanks.
14 posted on 08/29/2003 12:20:04 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: JimSEA
"Last week, I was at Ban Chiang Thailand where 5000 years ago people were making pottery, cultivating rice and living in stable communities. I wonder what the people in the LA area were doing?"

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15 posted on 08/29/2003 6:56:45 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks!
16 posted on 08/29/2003 11:27:07 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: blam
Al Gore invented Glaciers.
18 posted on 08/29/2003 3:38:44 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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