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Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Six Out Of Their Bibles!
Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon ^ | Aug 29, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 08/28/2003 8:50:50 PM PDT by xzins

Those Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Chapter Six Out Of Their Bibles!

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon August 29, 2003 I have listened to minister after minister publicly rebuke Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore saying, as a Christian, he should have obeyed federal judge Myron Thompson's unlawful order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building. Those ministers need to reread Daniel chapter six.

Daniel was a government official in the court of King Darius. In fact, Daniel was the second-in-command answering only to the king. Yet, when Darius issued his command that everyone in the kingdom not pray to God for thirty days, Daniel openly and defiantly disobeyed.

I've heard ministers say Judge Moore was wrong not to take down the monument and wait for his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court to be decided. However, if this logic would have prevailed in the mind and heart of Daniel, the great story of Daniel in the lion's den would not appear in Scripture. After all, Darius' order against prayer was only for thirty days. Using the logic of today's ministers, Daniel should have merely suspended his prayers for thirty days, and everything would have been all right.

Instead, Daniel immediately went home, threw open his windows, and prayed to God as he always had done. He would not postpone his convictions for even thirty days!

Like Judge Roy Moore, Daniel believed that there is a higher authority than the king. Furthermore, he believed that human governments do not have the right to interfere with religious conscience, in or out of the public square.

Also take into account that Daniel lived under a monarchy. Darius' word was the law of the land. However, Americans do not live (yet) under a monarchy. A federal judge is not king; his word is not automatically law. Under our constitutional republic, whenever a federal judge, or any other government official, rules outside his constitutional authority, his ruling must be considered unlawful and irrelevant.

When Daniel disobeyed the law of King Darius, he had only the law of moral conscience behind him. Judge Moore has, not only the law of moral conscience, but the supreme law of the land (the U.S. Constitution) behind him!

Of all people, Christian ministers should flock to Judge Moore's assistance! That they aren't proves they are either ignorant of the lawlessness of this federal judge's actions, or they do not have the courage of their convictions.

One thing is sure: those ministers who condemn Judge Roy Moore's actions should tear the story of Daniel out of their Bibles, and never teach it again. If Daniel was right, Roy Moore is right!

© Chuck Baldwin

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KEYWORDS: bible; commandments; constitution; daniel; judges; law; moore
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
P.S. Pay no attention to PooPoo -- he's full of it.
221 posted on 08/29/2003 10:41:14 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (PROUD TO BE A COPPERHEAD!!!)
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To: viaveritasvita; Chancellor Palpatine
Gosh, it must tick you off to no end that Catholics are allowed to worship God as their consciences command, doesn't it?
222 posted on 08/29/2003 10:43:30 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
See what I mean?
223 posted on 08/29/2003 10:46:10 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (PROUD TO BE A COPPERHEAD!!!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
No where does God command the Christian to place the Ten Commandments in our courthouses.

Where does it say that the Ten Commandments have no place on our courthouses?

224 posted on 08/29/2003 10:46:21 PM PDT by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Poohbah
You are all tied up in knots, Poobah. My good woman of 21 years will tell you that my gate only swings one way. I'm answering your desperate, fumbling accusations only because I want to reach out to you Poobah, to get through that miasma of confusion which you probably think of as your intellect.

Find someone of the opposite sex (and make sure it ain't a trans dude/or dudette), get married and have some children. The frustration that you're now experiencing will be replaced by the day-to-day struggle to survive and raise a family in this fallen world of ours. Only when the kids are grown will you have time to do what I'm doing and enjoy your hobbies.

225 posted on 08/29/2003 11:00:15 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Poohbah
No, it tells us that Judge Moore's reliance on the preamble as enforceable law to the point of overriding the US Constitution is defective.

That's not what Judge Moore said

He said: "The battle over the Ten Commandments monument I brought into Alabama's Supreme Court is not about a monument and not about politics. (The battle is not even about religion, a term defined by our Founders as "the duty we owe to our creator and the manner for discharging it.") Federal Judge Myron Thompson, who ordered the monument's removal, and I are in perfect agreement on the fact that the issue in this case is: "Can the state acknowledge God?"

"Those were the precise words used by Judge Thompson in his closing remarks in open court. Today, I argue for the rule of law, and against any unilateral declaration of a judge to ban the acknowledgment of God in the public sector."

You need to become familiar with Judge Moores' position before you try to argue against it.

226 posted on 08/29/2003 11:05:18 PM PDT by garybob (Part of the 70 percent of the Alabama voters who voted FOR Judge Roy Moore)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
You are all tied up in knots, Poobah. My good woman of 21 years will tell you that my gate only swings one way.

Wow, you can translate "BA-A-A-AH" into English! I'm truly impressed.

I'm answering your desperate, fumbling accusations only because I want to reach out to you Poobah, to get through that miasma of confusion which you probably think of as your intellect.

Goombah, you couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag, as your refusal to engage my argument when you started this flame war demonstrated.

"Good breeding" does not equal "intelligence."

Find someone of the opposite sex (and make sure it ain't a trans dude/or dudette), get married and have some children.

Happily married, with a beautiful five-year-old daughter.

Now kindly STFU. You've expended what Christian charity I have.

The frustration that you're now experiencing will be replaced by the day-to-day struggle to survive and raise a family in this fallen world of ours.

Yeah, especially with all the idiots shouting "get your hands off of my God!" out there.

227 posted on 08/29/2003 11:09:39 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah
Now kindly STFU. You've expended what Christian charity I have.

"Your Honor, I rest my case."

228 posted on 08/29/2003 11:12:43 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: garybob
You need to become familiar with Judge Moores' position before you try to argue against it.

I was relying on the other poster's statements. I should know better than to rely on someone who can't figure out what is and isn't a "religious test."

I do understand that Moore has deliberately gone out of his way to lose the case--he has refused excellent legal advice in favor of an extremely weak case that looked tailored to fail.

If he is sincere...pride goeth before the fall.

If he's what he seems to me...the Kingfish, wherever he is, is saying "that's it, son, good show!"

229 posted on 08/29/2003 11:12:45 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
God is infinite. I am finite. Unlike you, I don't claim perfection of Christian virtue.

With that in mind...STFU.
230 posted on 08/29/2003 11:13:47 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Goodnight everyone. Even you, Poobah. I enjoyed every minute.
231 posted on 08/29/2003 11:14:30 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
My guess is that they considered a religious test to be a requirement that one be of a certain sect.

Better than a guess. Until fairly recently the acknowledgement of God as creator and final authority was a given on everything from the coins in our pockets to the oaths sworn in the courtroom.

I imagine most of the Founding Fathers would be shocked to see how protection from federally-supported religious taxation has morphed into denying God's existence in our daily lives.

Judge Moore has every right to do just what he chooses in the rotunda of his courthouse. And the fact that some chiseled rock causes this much consternation among the bubbleheads who pose as intellects is indicative of the petty, retrogressive, secular mudhole those in power want us to swim in.

As a society, we've abandoned any sense of moral perspective when we sanction Judge Moore and venerate Judge Judy.

232 posted on 08/29/2003 11:34:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: viaveritasvita
Go, via, go :o) Verbum Caro Factum Est!
233 posted on 08/30/2003 2:30:27 AM PDT by tame (If I must be the victim of a criminal, please let it be Catwoman! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!)
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To: PleaseNoMore
Christians, not heeding what these ministers are saying, are turning theor backs on the Church, and following the politician (State) in the name of God.

And not one of you see a thing wrong with this.
234 posted on 08/30/2003 7:11:18 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So, those of "us" who feel that there are bigger issues involved here are "followers" of Moore? I support Roy Moore and unashamedly so, but, I am in no way a follower of his. I place no hope in the man, only what he is, in my opinion, standing up for and against.
235 posted on 08/30/2003 7:52:24 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: xzins
Thanks X - an excellent brief!
236 posted on 08/30/2003 10:30:35 AM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: AndrewC
"Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?"

No. You are the one asserting that the presence of a stone in a state building somehow is a law establishing a religion.

Wrong. I never said such a thing in any of my posts.

With all due respect, it is a ridiculous claim.

I'm merely asking which one. We will get to the other questions once you can name a religion that can be established by said stone.

No. You first need to go back and review my posts to see what my argument really was.
You've obviously lost track of the dialogue.

237 posted on 08/30/2003 5:32:26 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: takenoprisoner
Next election pay attention to what the President does when swearing in.
238 posted on 08/30/2003 5:36:44 PM PDT by nmh
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To: takenoprisoner
No they've been doing the incremental dance till lately. Now with the incremental progress they have been making over the years has emboldened them.
239 posted on 08/30/2003 5:38:34 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Jorge
My statement:-->No. You are the one asserting that the presence of a stone in a state building somehow is a law establishing a religion.

Wrong. I never said such a thing in any of my posts.

Isn't the following your statement?

The law Judge Moore defied was one dictating that NO ONE has the right to use the Govt to impose their religion on others.

240 posted on 08/30/2003 7:34:40 PM PDT by AndrewC
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