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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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To: floriduh voter
I wonder what the AMA thinks about the legal-medical crisis that Terri Schiavo is in?

The AMA has pretty much sanctioned this. See the link I posted as a good read somewhere back there, the one under the Nurses for Life site.

1,641 posted on 09/05/2003 3:55:14 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
From page 15 of that very long read...

"The AMA's medical council on ethical and judicial affairs 1999 report on medical futility in end of life care states that their report limits itself to the use of interventions in patients with life-threatening illnesses, but then contradicts itself in stating that the "use of life-sustaining or invasive interventions in patients in the persistent vegetative state or who are terminally ill may only prolong the dying process", thereby lumping PVS with the terminally ill although no terminal illness exists in the PVS patient."

A medline search brings up scores of writings that are dedicated to the compassionate end of life in brain-damaged patients.

1,642 posted on 09/05/2003 4:03:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: lakey
Mapquest is one of my favorite tools :-)
1,643 posted on 09/05/2003 4:18:33 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
I just came across this on another FR site:

Research into the Church Of Scientology has revealed some of Hollywood's most powerful stars may have signed documents giving up their right to psychiatric care and to see relatives. Celebrities including Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Juliette Lewis and Lisa Marie Presley could sign contracts banning the privileges as they move up the church's hierarchy, according to website Page Six. Documents relating to the bans have been uncovered by David Touretzky, a research professor at Carnegie Mellon University, Pennsylvania, America, who has been studying the religion for six years. One such document specifies advanced training can only happen after members "forever (give) up (the) right to sue the church and its staff for any injury or damage suffered in any way connected with Scientology". Religious cult expert Rick Ross writes on his website, "It seems that Scientologist superstars like Tom Cruise, John Travolta and wealthy patrons such as Lisa Marie Presley may be signing away rights most citizens within free countries take for granted."

The villains in the Schiavo case are believed to be Scientologists.
1,644 posted on 09/05/2003 4:25:09 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: pc93
I realize your frustration. I am also frustrated that the dire straits that Terri Schiavo is in doesn't move people who could step in.

I've faxed Jeb Bush this evening since my emails to him wouldn't go through. I have a letter ready for mailing to J. Greer tomorrow. I'm going to try the radio talk show circuit next. As frustrating as this is, I'm not done yet. At the end of my fax to Jeb I wrote "Stand for Terri or stand for nothing!"

1,645 posted on 09/05/2003 4:27:56 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: pc93
Since it's Friday, anyone who wants to contact the FBI should refer to the post with their building on it for the email address. Otherwise, try to see if they have voicemail at the FBI.
1,646 posted on 09/05/2003 4:31:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: Theodore R.
They're all from Ohio-Pa. If she's a second cousin or something, nobody would have reason to know it. But, she could spike the media. The media is definitely spiking this story.
1,647 posted on 09/05/2003 4:33:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: MarMema
The governor can actually do quite a bit. Remember that the attorney general and the state attorney both answer to him directly. No, he cannot butt into an active court case that is not a state case, but he can cause an investigation and he can (most likely) assign a guardian - whether the long-suffering Judge Greer is hip to the idea or not.

The Department of Children and Families as well as their arm, Adult Protective Services also answer to Jeb. I wonder if their phones are ringing off the hooks.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Governor is doing something right now... quietly.... behind the scenes. Remember that Maggot Schiavo insulted him pretty harshly on national television. I view that as challenging him to up it a notch. Someone needs to put a Buick in that boy's mouth.

In any event, I have read a few of the posts here, trying to connect the gots. You Freepers are so close to how we are going to stop these criminals. So close. If anyone knows of a decent PI, send them my way.

-Pamela Hennessy-
1,648 posted on 09/05/2003 4:34:16 PM PDT by phenn
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To: trustandobey
I can't afford to buy a search but if you visit http://www.myflorida.com, they have an FDLE search. All you do is put the name in. If they've done something and have a record, something will pop up or it will say "nothing found".
1,649 posted on 09/05/2003 5:06:29 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: lakey
On t.v., Felos called her terminally ill, that it would be unacceptable & FUTILE to treat a problem in a dying person. FACT: She isn't dying if you treat the problem.

How ironic that they don't view us all as "dying", just at different rates. So while we are in the process of dying a little bit every day, we are also in the process of living. To me it's just weird that they can't see the obvious!

1,650 posted on 09/05/2003 5:19:02 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida
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To: floriduh voter
Well, people are stepping in .. on one of my lists a listmember knows one of their Congressional representatives and that representative is going to be contacting other representatives and officials. Never give up! Let's keep up the massive actions.
1,651 posted on 09/05/2003 5:36:01 PM PDT by pc93 (Murder of Terri Schindler by Michael Schiavo to be sanctioned by Jeb Bush, FL, Fed courts?)
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To: phenn
Hey you.
1,652 posted on 09/05/2003 5:36:31 PM PDT by pc93 (Murder of Terri Schindler by Michael Schiavo to be sanctioned by Jeb Bush, FL, Fed courts?)
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To: pc93
That's a bit of good news. I know I'm not throwing in the towel.

I hope kimmie7's ping list is growing. I've seen names on Terri's threads that are new to me and those folks are helping too.

1,653 posted on 09/05/2003 5:42:21 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: floriduh voter
That page won't display. It might be in my settings, but I haven't had problems with any other site recently. Does it work for you?
1,654 posted on 09/05/2003 5:47:31 PM PDT by trustandobey (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS)
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To: floriduh voter
That page won't display. It might be my settings, but I haven't had problems with any other site lately. Does it work for you? I can probably do the paid search(es) tomorrow.
1,655 posted on 09/05/2003 5:50:10 PM PDT by trustandobey (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS)
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To: floriduh voter
sorry for the double post, it didn't show up at first!
1,656 posted on 09/05/2003 5:51:45 PM PDT by trustandobey (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS)
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To: pc93; kimmie7
Please copy this info and ping the list, This web page organizes rallys for Terri. They also have headlines on their page.

http://www.inclusiondaily.com/news/advocacy/schiavo02.htm

Email their contact from the site for more info.

1,657 posted on 09/05/2003 6:10:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: floriduh voter
Yes, the search works very well. Thanks for adding the extra keywords.
1,658 posted on 09/05/2003 6:13:16 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida
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To: phenn
Thank you for joining us Pamela.

We are all united with you in this fight.
1,659 posted on 09/05/2003 6:24:13 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Ohioan from FL wrote: "To me it's just weird that they can't see the obvious!"

I think they can see the obvious, Ohioan. They have, as the Bible says, hardened their hearts and worship mammon. Euthanasia is just a popular form of atheism. Atheism denies God, and euthanasia denies life. It's a form of "death worship" practiced by some elites in the United States and Europe today.

Remember, these killers have a financial interest in Terri's starvation.

wf
1,660 posted on 09/05/2003 7:18:14 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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