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In the supreme court of the United States on the east pediment you will find moses holding the ten commandments.

Along with moses there is Confucius (a chinese philosopher and religous leader) and Solon, ( an athens law giver)

To say just having the ten commandments is "promoting religion," then having Confucius on that building is also promoting ancestral worship.

All of this is on the supreme court buidling of the United States, the highest court in the land. My point being, these men were put on the building to serve as reminders of strong influence for large majorities of the country, as are the ten commandments. Instead of looking at them in religious perspective, look at them in historical and influential perspective. They provide part of the backbone of beliefs held by our founding fathers and are obviously accepted enough to be on the Supreme Court building, why not in the courtroom itself?

1 posted on 08/24/2003 7:22:04 PM PDT by Gdzine
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To: Gdzine
The monument in dispute in Judge Moore's Alabama courtroom has other inscriptions on it as well, but none of the news stories I have read or seen on TV has told me what they say. I think they are also words of wisdom from ancient philosophers of many cultures. Does anybody know what the other inscriptions are?

It really frosts me that all of the pundits having a fit about this talk as if the Commandments are something from the Christiian Right. Last I heard, there were Mosaic Law and come from the Old Testament that was written by Hebrew scholars.

2 posted on 08/24/2003 7:31:44 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Gdzine
The supreme court of the United States already has the ten commandments.

As is also true with most organizations that are seemingly unAmerican, those people on the courts and in the Congress are idiots foaming against the truth because of unreasoned and uncontrolable fear of the unknown!

3 posted on 08/24/2003 7:36:29 PM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: Gdzine
Really?
In the buidling? :)
4 posted on 08/24/2003 7:37:59 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: Gdzine
hm, Confucius huh?

well, this puts a different spin on things to be sure.

The first amendment says that Congress shall make no law regarding religion, which has led me to say that the court should not be religously biased. However, if the point is that its a historical allusion to the foundations of law in our country, then there's no excuse for taking it down.

Also, I suppose the first amendment doesn't apply to laws that the Judicial branch makes (lol). And posting monuments are not the same as passing laws.
5 posted on 08/24/2003 7:40:05 PM PDT by unibrowshift9b20
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To: Gdzine
Yes but the people that commissioned the SC art were not intending to forward their religion. According to the federal court we have to look to the artist or the person who commissioned the work to determine what their intentions were.

Probably the most stupid ruling I have ever heard of.

6 posted on 08/24/2003 7:40:59 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Gdzine
I included the Ten Commandments representations in the Supreme Court in my latest column (click below). I also twice e-mailed the Net links to the statue of Moses on the East pediment, and the bas relief in the courtroom itself to Tony Snow at Fox News.

The total lack of a response, and the absolute failure of Fox News to mention this proof of the Supreme Court's hypocrisy makes me think that they are incompetent in having people read through the e-mail that they encourage and receive. I expect behavior like that from other news outlets. But it's a shame when Fox does the same.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "In the Justices We Trust?" posted on FR, other publication to come.

7 posted on 08/24/2003 7:44:32 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Don't just stand there. Run for Congress." www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Gdzine
The difference is that when multiple representations of conflicting religious belief systems are present, it is clear that the the government isn't endorsing a single system as the true one. Very different from the 10 Commandments in a courthouse where no other religious teachings are given similar billing. And also the "10 Commandments" on the Supreme Court building aren't legible, eliminating much of the potential offense or concern to people who disagree with certain of those commandments.
8 posted on 08/24/2003 7:46:15 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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36 posted on 08/24/2003 9:08:53 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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42 posted on 08/24/2003 9:25:45 PM PDT by michaelsteven
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ALABAMA CONSTITUTION OF 1861


ARTICLE I

DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

 

That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:

Section 1. That all freemen, when they form a social compact, are equal in rights; and that no man or set of men are entitled to exclusive, separate public emoluments or privileges, but in consideration of public services.

Section 2. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit; and, therefore, they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish their form of government, in such manner as they may think expedient.

<STRONG>Section 3. No person within this State shall, upon any pretence be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshiping God in the manner most agreeable to his own conscience; nor be compelled to attend any place of worship; nor shall any one ever be obliged to pay any tithes, taxes or other rate, for the building or repairing any place of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry.

Section 4. No human authority ought, in any case whatever, to control or interfere with the rights of conscience.

Section 5. No person shall be hurt, molested or restrained in his religious profession, sentiments or persuasions, provided he does not disturb others in their religious worship.

Section 6. The civil rights, privileges, or capacities of any citizen, shall in no way be diminished or enlarged, on account of his religious principles.

Section 7. There shall be no establishment of religion by law; no preference shall ever be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; and no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this State.

Section 8. Every citizen may freely speak, write and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty.

Section 9. The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and possessions from unreasonable seizures or searches; and no warrant to search any place, or to seize any person or thing, shall issue without describing them as nearly as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation.

Section 10. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused has a right to be heard by himself and counsel; to demand the nature and cause of the accusation, and have a copy thereof; to be confronted by the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and, in all prosecutions, by indictment or information, a speedy public trial by an impartial jury of the county or district in which the offense shall have been committed: he shall not be compelled to give evidence against himself, nor shall he be deprived of his life, liberty, or property, but by due course of law.

Section 11. No person shall be accused, arrested, or detained, except in cases ascertained by law, and according to the forms which the same has prescribed; and no person shall be punished, but in virtue of a law, established and promulgated prior to the offense, and legally applied.

Section 12. No person shall, for any indictable offense, be proceeded against criminally by information; except in cases arising in the land and naval forces, or the militia when in actual service, or by leave of the court, for oppression or misdemeanor in office.

Section 13. No person shall, for the same offense, be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall any person's property be taken or applied to public use, unless just compensation be made therefor.

Section 14. All courts shall be open, and every person, for an injury done him, in his lands, goods, person or reputation, shall have remedy by due course of law, and right and justice administered without sale, denial or delay.

Section 15. No power of suspending laws shall be exercised, except by the general assembly, or its authority.

Section 16. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel punishments inflicted.

Section 17. All persons shall, before conviction, be bailable by sufficient securities, except for capital offenses, when the proof is evident, or the presumption great; and the privilege of the writ of "habeas corpus" shall not be suspended, unless when, in cases of rebellion, or invasion, the public safety may require it.

Section 18. The person of a debtor, where there is not strong presumption of fraud, shall not be detained in prison, after delivering up his estate for the benefit of his creditors, in such manner as shall be prescribed by law.

Section 19. No ex post facto law, nor law impairing the obligations of contracts shall be made.

Section 20. No person shall be attainted of treason or felony by the general assembly. No attainder shall work corruption of blood, nor forfeiture of estate.

Section 21. The estates of suicides shall descend or vest as in cases of natural death; if any person shall be killed by casualty, there shall be no forfeiture by reason thereof.

Section 22. The citizens have a right, in a peaceable manner, to assemble together for their common good, and to apply to those invested with the powers of government for redress of grievances, or other proper purposes, by petition, address, or remonstrance.

Section 23. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the State.

Section 24. No standing army shall be kept up without the consent of the general assembly; and, in that case, no appropriation of money for its support shall be for a longer term than one year; and the military shall, in all cases, and at all times, be in strict subordination to the civil power.

Section 25. No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner; nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Section 26. No title of nobility, or hereditary distinction, privilege, honor, or emolument, shall ever be granted or conferred in this State; nor shall any office be created, the appointment of which shall be for a longer term than during good behavior.

Section 27. Emigration from this State shall not be prohibited, nor shall any citizen be exiled.

Section 28. The right of trial by jury shall remain inviolate.

Section 29. No person shall be debarred from prosecuting or defending any civil cause, for or against him or herself, before any tribunal in this State, by him or herself, or counsel.

Section 30. This enumeration of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people: and to guard against any encroachments on the rights herein retained, or any transgression of any of the high powers herein delegated, we declare, that every thing in this article is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate; and that all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void.

60 posted on 08/25/2003 1:53:11 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Gdzine

ALABAMA CONSTITUTION OF 1861


ARTICLE I

DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

 

That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:

Section 1. That all freemen, when they form a social compact, are equal in rights; and that no man or set of men are entitled to exclusive, separate public emoluments or privileges, but in consideration of public services.

Section 2. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit; and, therefore, they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish their form of government, in such manner as they may think expedient.

<STRONG>Section 3. No person within this State shall, upon any pretence be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshiping God in the manner most agreeable to his own conscience; nor be compelled to attend any place of worship; nor shall any one ever be obliged to pay any tithes, taxes or other rate, for the building or repairing any place of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry.

Section 4. No human authority ought, in any case whatever, to control or interfere with the rights of conscience.

Section 5. No person shall be hurt, molested or restrained in his religious profession, sentiments or persuasions, provided he does not disturb others in their religious worship.

Section 6. The civil rights, privileges, or capacities of any citizen, shall in no way be diminished or enlarged, on account of his religious principles.

Section 7. There shall be no establishment of religion by law; no preference shall ever be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; and no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this State.

Section 8. Every citizen may freely speak, write and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty.

Section 9. The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and possessions from unreasonable seizures or searches; and no warrant to search any place, or to seize any person or thing, shall issue without describing them as nearly as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation.

Section 10. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused has a right to be heard by himself and counsel; to demand the nature and cause of the accusation, and have a copy thereof; to be confronted by the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and, in all prosecutions, by indictment or information, a speedy public trial by an impartial jury of the county or district in which the offense shall have been committed: he shall not be compelled to give evidence against himself, nor shall he be deprived of his life, liberty, or property, but by due course of law.

Section 11. No person shall be accused, arrested, or detained, except in cases ascertained by law, and according to the forms which the same has prescribed; and no person shall be punished, but in virtue of a law, established and promulgated prior to the offense, and legally applied.

Section 12. No person shall, for any indictable offense, be proceeded against criminally by information; except in cases arising in the land and naval forces, or the militia when in actual service, or by leave of the court, for oppression or misdemeanor in office.

Section 13. No person shall, for the same offense, be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall any person's property be taken or applied to public use, unless just compensation be made therefor.

Section 14. All courts shall be open, and every person, for an injury done him, in his lands, goods, person or reputation, shall have remedy by due course of law, and right and justice administered without sale, denial or delay.

Section 15. No power of suspending laws shall be exercised, except by the general assembly, or its authority.

Section 16. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel punishments inflicted.

Section 17. All persons shall, before conviction, be bailable by sufficient securities, except for capital offenses, when the proof is evident, or the presumption great; and the privilege of the writ of "habeas corpus" shall not be suspended, unless when, in cases of rebellion, or invasion, the public safety may require it.

Section 18. The person of a debtor, where there is not strong presumption of fraud, shall not be detained in prison, after delivering up his estate for the benefit of his creditors, in such manner as shall be prescribed by law.

Section 19. No ex post facto law, nor law impairing the obligations of contracts shall be made.

Section 20. No person shall be attainted of treason or felony by the general assembly. No attainder shall work corruption of blood, nor forfeiture of estate.

Section 21. The estates of suicides shall descend or vest as in cases of natural death; if any person shall be killed by casualty, there shall be no forfeiture by reason thereof.

Section 22. The citizens have a right, in a peaceable manner, to assemble together for their common good, and to apply to those invested with the powers of government for redress of grievances, or other proper purposes, by petition, address, or remonstrance.

Section 23. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the State.

Section 24. No standing army shall be kept up without the consent of the general assembly; and, in that case, no appropriation of money for its support shall be for a longer term than one year; and the military shall, in all cases, and at all times, be in strict subordination to the civil power.

Section 25. No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner; nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Section 26. No title of nobility, or hereditary distinction, privilege, honor, or emolument, shall ever be granted or conferred in this State; nor shall any office be created, the appointment of which shall be for a longer term than during good behavior.

Section 27. Emigration from this State shall not be prohibited, nor shall any citizen be exiled.

Section 28. The right of trial by jury shall remain inviolate.

Section 29. No person shall be debarred from prosecuting or defending any civil cause, for or against him or herself, before any tribunal in this State, by him or herself, or counsel.

Section 30. This enumeration of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people: and to guard against any encroachments on the rights herein retained, or any transgression of any of the high powers herein delegated, we declare, that every thing in this article is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate; and that all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void.

61 posted on 08/25/2003 1:54:57 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Gdzine
To believe in God is not 'religion' it is faith. Faith in a supreme being is not dogma, canons or tenets, all which compromise a 'religion'. The Ten Commandments are indeed a call from God to adhere to moral and ethical rules or laws and those rules are what civilizations were founded upon long before the Romans or even the Copts got into the business of ‘organized’ religion, as we know it. Obviously the Creator or Supreme being knew full well that man would need some guidance. So are those laws a religion? IMHO, No they are not.
67 posted on 08/26/2003 7:44:13 AM PDT by yoe
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