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Schwarzenegger is The Kindergarten Candidate
My own thoughts... | 08/24/2003 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 08/24/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne

The Kindergarten Candidate

In a movie released in 1990, Arnold Schwarzenegger played big city undercover Detective John Kimble, who along with his partner Pheobe O'hara played by Pamela Reed, were sent to a school in Astoria, Oregon.  Schwarzenegger's character was inserted into the school as a kindergarten teacher to find a paroled killer and drug dealer played by Colin Crisp.  The Chrisp character's son Dominic was a pupil and his ex-wife played by Penelope Ann Miller was another teacher in the school.  A significant part of the movie found Schwarzenegger's character dealing with young children under his charge, finally getting them under control.  In the movie Schwarzenegger's character also had to deal with adults who didn't always agree with his tactics.  By the end of the movie, these policy issue differences resolved themselves.

On August 13th of this year, a sequel of sorts was released.  This sequel finds Schwarzenegger playing the role of a political candidate for Governor of California.  Interestingly enough this sequel again finds Schwarzenegger trying to get children under control.  Only this time, it is unclear if he will meet with success or not.

Meet Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Kindergarten Candidate.  In this role Schwarzenegger has volunteered to reign in a criminal who has violated the State Constitution of California by not balancing the state's budget, as required by law.  Politically new to the citizens of California, Schwarzenegger will have to deal with supporters and detractors for his varied views.  Some of them will conduct themselves like adults.  Many of them will conduct themselves as kindergarten children.

In this movie Schwarzenegger will face foreign exchange students as well.  Kindergarten children now have access to the internet, and in this sequel those who haven't heard Schwarzenegger's speeches, know nothing of the character of the opposition's leading candidate, nothing of state statutes, nothing of California's election procedures, nothing of it's political history, nothing of the current business social economic or accurate political climate in California, will none the less jump up and down in class, roll on the floor kicking and screaming and do anything else they can do to disrupt.  Unfortunately these foreign (to the state) exchange students won't be alone in their disruption.  Some in-state California kindergarten students will join with them.

The adult members of California's voting public will chose their candidates by whatever set of principles they adhere to.  Many of them will do so with flawed logic or having been misled.  None the less, they will go through the process acting like adults.  Some will back Conservative candidate Tom McClintock.  Some will back a moderate in some ways, liberal in others, candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger.  Still others will will back a liberal racist separatist, Cruz Bustamante.  Reasoned state citizens will discuss the issues and polices adopted or proposed by these candidates.  They will agree, they will disagree, they will debate.  They will not jump up and down and scream like kindergarten children.  They will not have to be told hundreds of times why some things simply are.

Nobody likes it when a kindergarten student direct from Camp Dark Ubiquitous joins the adult discussion.  No matter how many times you patiently explain a detail to them, they dodge, they ignore, they make false claims, they provide clearly misleading partial quotes or half truths.  As much as these children are recognized for what they are when they drift on by, some of the same folks who recognize them for what they are, feel perfectly free to use those same tactics as long as it's in defense of their flavor of (R).

The nice thing about this new sequel, is that each of us get to choose not only the ending we want, but we get to choose the course of action that will lead up to it.  How cool is that?  Now that doesn't mean that each of us will wind up with the exact ending we desire, but at least we can determine the course of action that will lead up to the ending that the majority desires.  That's the way our political system works folks.

We can either choose to conduct ourselves as adults, or we can choose to act like kindergarten screw-ups.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is for better or worse the Kindergarten Candidate.  We all know that his stands on abortion, homosexual rights and gun control may not gel with what we want for our state or nation.  In truth we have not heard him address these issues with candor.  To act like we have and know exactly what his views are, is simply dishonest.  It's the claim of the kindergarten screw-ups.  The adults wish to know more.  To act like Schwarzenegger is no better than Cruz Bustamante or Tom Daschle is just another dishonest bunch of noise.  To act like Schwarzenegger has evaded telling us exactly what he'll do about a budget so complex that nobody knows where all the demons are buried, is another half-truth.  To repeat these things over and over is nothing more than rolling on the floor in kindergarten screaming at the top of your lungs.  It's disruption. It's childish.  It's unacceptable.

Most of the adults have made it very clear that they wish for a McClintock win.  They have also made the decision that if McClintock cannot assure us victory on October 7th, they will vote for another candidate that will be more likely to do so.  The kindergarten screw-ups leave their seats and scream bloody murder at this.  Hopefully the adults will see that for what it is, the extremely childish machinations of frustrated spoiled little brats.

If California's best and brightest conservatives could assure a McClintock victory, they would.  If they could wave a collective wand, wiggle their noses and wish their fondest dreams into existence, they'd close the borders, eliminate about 90% of our taxes, eliminate abortion on California's soil, treat homosexuals with respect but end the legitimization process, restore all gun rights to all law abiding citizens and usher in the administration of Tom McClintock.  Folks, this isn't a 1950s Disney movie.  It's a 2000s reality movie.  Sad but true, you'll have to come to grips with that fact and determine for yourselves if you can conduct yourself like an adult.

For the sake of the adult's peace of mind, let's hope most people can.  In the end, the policy differences may resolve themselves, as Schwarzenegger fails to act on the problem areas where we disagree with him.  Let's conduct ourselves with civility and respect.

Please don't make the case that folks are selling out.  Please don't continue to list Schwarzenegger's supposed liberal stances on issues for the 187,201st time.  You claim not to need for us to explain conservative considerations to you, please don't feel like you need to explain the difference between conservatism and liberalism to us.  We know.

The adults understand that Cruz Bustamante cannot be the next Governor of California.  The Kindergarten Students, may have to tolerate a Kindergarten Candidate.  Reality is a bitch.  But it is sometimes a better reality than hell.  And hell is what California will turn into under Bustamante.

Roll on the floor, jump up and down.  Kick and scream all you like.  Do it right now on this thread.  Get it out of your system.  Then let's gather behind the Kindergarten Candidate if and when the time comes.  If we're fortunate, that time won't come.  But if it does, can we please agree to do it as adults?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arnold; california; governor; mcclintock; mcclinton; schwarzenegger; schwarzenloser; schwarzenrino
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Those are my thoughts.  Let us hear yours.
1 posted on 08/24/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Ever hear those prank phone calls made using clips of (R)nold's lines from that movie? VERY funny.
2 posted on 08/24/2003 3:49:34 PM PDT by Grig
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To: DoughtyOne
If and when the time comes...

What if Arnold still languishes at 22%, as he has in every major poll following the first, starstruck one, and gains no significant traction between now and election day?

Just curious.
3 posted on 08/24/2003 4:10:59 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: TheAngryClam
And you believe he is at 22%...why, because the L.A. Times says he is?
4 posted on 08/24/2003 4:15:15 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: DoughtyOne
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5 posted on 08/24/2003 4:15:19 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: DoughtyOne
Why aren't you ragging on Ueberroth?

Answer the question honestly and you'll learn something about the Schwarzenpubbies and the root of their fear of McClintock.

BTW, your Sister Mary Elephant routine is tedious.

6 posted on 08/24/2003 4:15:38 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: BonnieJ
And you believe he is at 22%...why, because the L.A. Times says he is? *Sigh* Denial. The unmistakable mark of a Schwarzenaddict. We should have seen it coming.
7 posted on 08/24/2003 4:19:37 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: BonnieJ
CNN was just talking about how the Simon Wisenthal Center is investigating Arnolds father. Throught the whole clip there was Swaztika along Arnold. Cute.
8 posted on 08/24/2003 4:20:13 PM PDT by novacation
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To: DoughtyOne
Good post. And, "Kindergarten" is one word that Arnold can pronounce better than most Americans.
Here's hoping the endless polling makes it easy for everyone to be the adults we need to be.
9 posted on 08/24/2003 4:23:05 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: TheAngryClam
That poll was taken prior to Wednesday's press conference, after the media had spammed him for a week for not providing specifics. During that week they failed to report that he was consulting every day with economists, academics, business leaders and state politicians.

The media is up to it's old tricks. Pravda on the Pacific ran that poll prior to Wednesday on purpose. Those quoting the polls today talk about his failed candidacy. Seriously, it's a pathetic display of media manipulation. What's even sadder is to watch conservatives fall for this, in fact applaud it because Arnold isn't their first choice.

I have always said, if Schwarzenegger's numbers are surpassed by McClintock's, then McClintock should be the standard bearer on election day. I will tell you though, I think we are kidding ourselves if we think McClintock is going to draw all the Schwarzenegger vote.

There are a number of Democrats who will vote for Schwarzenegger just like they did Reagan. New registrations are taking place with people telling the registration clerks they are doing so to vote for Schwarzenegger. I don't think any of these new registrants will vote for McClintock. Still I said I'd vote for McClintock on October 7 if he was outpolling Schwarzenegger and I will. I do not think it will provide the big win we hope for though.

That's my gutt feeling on it.
10 posted on 08/24/2003 4:23:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Kevin Curry
To: DoughtyOne

Why aren't you ragging on Ueberroth? Answer the question honestly and you'll learn something about the Schwarzenpubbies and the root of their fear of McClintock. BTW, your Sister Mary Elephant routine is tedious.

6 posted on 08/24/2003 4:15 PM PDT by Kevin Curry

Kevin, I don't know you and I don't need to characterize your post.  For your own edification, please find one place where I said anything even remotely negative about McClintock in what I wrote.  While you're at it, see if you can find the spots where I intimated or right out stated that I'd vote for McClintock if he were leading in the polls on October 7th.

People are make comments and folks are glossing over them and mischaracterizing them.  How is that productive for responders or for the posters?

I'm not in the business of daming Republican canidates.  I am in the business of trashing Bustamante and making sure he NEVER takes office as Governor.

11 posted on 08/24/2003 4:32:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
As I see it, Gray Davis has a 25% approval rating and Bustamante isn't going higher. Indeed, since Bustamante is a racist, which itself is unpopular these days, and his racism is geared against the vast majority of Californians, I don't see him getting more than 20% of the vote.

So that means that Schwarzenegger and McClintock will split the rest at forty percent, and we needn't have this conversation because there's no way an anti-white racist is going to win in California.

Unless . . . .

Suppose McClintock gracefully bows out of the race. And then Schwarzenegger takes the 'high road,' and doesn't go negative on Bustamante. And meanwhile Democrats start playing up 'Arnold's Nazi Past.' Now, Arnold doesn't have a Nazi Past, but that won't stop them from pumping in enough smoke until people think there's a fire.

The only way this election can be lost against a certified loser like Bustamante is if you get a candidate who will take the 'high road' and not call a racist a racist. Because if you don't call that racist a racist, that racist will not hesitate to call you a racist.

George Bush I pursued a 'high road' campaign against Bill Clinton, and it worked. Bob Dole pursued a 'high road' campaign against Bill Clinton, and it worked. George W. Bush pursued a 'high road' campaign against Al Gore, and it worked.

Now what's wrong with that above paragraph? Why, everything. Even W.'s campaign blew a seventeen point lead to lose the popular vote to Al Gore.

Moderate Republicans are incapable of offending anybody. That's why they've chosen to sit in the middle of the road. Unfortunately, that's where people get run over.

Please, let's stop 'strategerizing' our way into defeat. We need a candidate who will talk plainly about the issues, and openly criticize his opponent. If we go with someone who talks about 'the childrens and the books,' we'll go flaming down to defeat.

Let Arnold jump all over Bustamante's people for accusing his father of being a Nazi, and maybe Arnold can win this war. Otherwise, he has no stomach for battle and will go down to a flaming defeat.

12 posted on 08/24/2003 4:40:00 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Has a moderate Republican ever moved to the RIGHT after getting elected?)
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To: DoughtyOne
I am tired of holding my nose and voting for scumbag RINOs. I did it in 2000, but no more.
13 posted on 08/24/2003 4:41:15 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Good post DO.

The All-or-Nothing crowd must love suffering and crave martyrdom since they seem to insist on disappointment.

14 posted on 08/24/2003 4:43:23 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: DoughtyOne
Listen, it's real simple: Schwarzenegger has got to discover some meaningful conservative positions in his kit bag that will resonate with social conservatives. Being at best a squishy fiscal moderate won't cut it.

McClintock is in the best position to strong arm the Terminator into making a needed shift to the right. McClintock is performing an enormously valuable--and largely thankless--service for the Republican Party and cause of conservatism.

Schwarzenegger is finding out that he can't masquerade as a conservative and expect conservative votes by default merely because he is famous and glamorous. His fame and glamour are decided negatives in the minds of most social conservatives.

ARNOLD needs to get with the program if he wants to win.

15 posted on 08/24/2003 4:46:14 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: JoeSchem
I'm not sure if you saw the press conference, but when A.S. referenced Buffett's unfortunate commments on Prop 13, he laughingly stated that he told Buffet he'd have to do 500 situps if he criticized Prop 13 again. It is this effortless friendly way that comes natural to Schwarzenegger that is going to serve him well during this campaign. Even when he has to go negative, it's done with a smile and an easy style. This serves to not only belittle the object of his attention, but to maintain his integrity.

I share your view that Bustamante needs to be outed for the racist separatist that he is. He also needs to be tied directly to the democrat machine that has brought California to it's knees. Bustamante is unfit to hold public office with the views he harbors. Schwarzenegger shouldn't mince words about any of this. As an immigrant himself, he is uniquely qualified to trash a racist who demagogues issues on the basis of race and immigration.

Here's to hoping he understands the points you raised.
16 posted on 08/24/2003 4:49:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
He will either destroy himself in the short campaign or, when & if elected, he will finish the destruction of California.

The fellow is a light-weight with extremely heavy baggage. "They" say his best friend in Austria was Kurt Waldheim-Waffen SS. They say Arnold toasted this man by name at his wedding, to the horror of the Kennedy Klan. A failure of judgement.

He can't even announce his campaign in a proper manner & must go to ancient, tainted, & weak sources for advice. He is Perot all over again. He has never gone beyond his own private endeavors & now the 'fans' want to let him have a position of real power & authority-over a crucial portion of the US. How amateurish.

This is a time for principle & character-not on the job training for an actor with amibition far beyond his experience or training.

We will all pay either way. If he fails to be elected, likely Red Davis stays or Bustamonte wins. All of us ( we being almost all tax payers, producers ) will get the bill for a bail-out or we will suffer from the collapse of the state's economy.
17 posted on 08/24/2003 4:50:29 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman (impossible and radically idealist notions; strict constructionist; prickly; quarrelsome.)
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To: Kevin Curry
Arnold opposes Proposition 54. Need anything further be said or discussed about where this man is coming from?
18 posted on 08/24/2003 4:51:04 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
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To: Kevin Curry
"ARNOLD needs to get with the program if he wants to win."

Sir, we have seen the program-this movie is a grand farce & we are going to pay.
19 posted on 08/24/2003 4:51:59 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman (impossible and radically idealist notions; strict constructionist; prickly; quarrelsome.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I am SO glad I don't live in Kalifornicate'ya!

Now if they would just move the border West, away from the current Kali/Nevada line, by about 100 miles, I would be even happier.

No matter who becomes or remains as Governor of Kali, it will continue to be a cesspit.
The measures required to clean it up cannot be instituted, no matter who is "in charge".

No one can-
Force the illegals out, saving millions in a variety of programs.
Force the end of Kali. vote fraud.
Force the courts to actually punish career criminals, cutting crime dramatically.
Force L.E. to actually arrest drug dealers and users, cutting crime and saving millions of dollars.
Force L.E. to actually arrest thieves, rapist, burlars, arsonist, eco-terrorist, cutting crime and saving millions of dollars.
Force the curtailment of inane "environmental" laws that strangle the Kali. economy and energy prospects.
Force the recognition of Americans unabreviated constitutional rights.
Force the ending of socialist indoctrination in all schools and publications.
Force, etc. etc. etc.!

Kali. is so far down the lunatic socialist path that any real attempt to rectify the situation would result in violence, and wild charges of varied "ism's" which the Fed. would support by taking them seriously.

It would probably be better for conservatives as a whole if Kali. remained in the hands of the socialist, if any sort of conservative is at the helm when Kali. sinks under the weight of it's own past legislative stupidity you can be sure that conservatives will reap all the blame. The "unbiased media" will make sure of it.
20 posted on 08/24/2003 4:55:48 PM PDT by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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