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'Made in U.S.A.' label harder to find as jobs move overseas
al.com ^ | 8/24/03 | cp124

Posted on 08/24/2003 7:03:07 AM PDT by cp124

Many won't be back; take shopping cart and check out why

07/20/03

By LEE ROOP Times Features Editor lroop@htimes.com

Two people walked into a Huntsville Wal-Mart last week on a challenge: Spend $400 on products made in America.

Two people walked out of Wal-Mart one hour later after randomly checking 40-plus items. Only 10 were made in the USA.

It isn't just Wal-Mart, America's largest retailer. Imported goods line shelves elsewhere, too. But what that means for American workers is the subject of a new economic debate.

"It's a huge issue," Wal-Mart spokesman Bill Wertz agreed Friday, confirming the import trend. "Customers are looking for value ... we try to stock what our customers want to buy."

New Hampshire economist Russ Thibeault threw out the Wal-Mart challenge July 10 on "Marketplace," an award-winning public radio show about the economy.

"Take a trip into your local Wal-Mart and spend your tax refund check on stuff that will generate U.S. jobs," Thibeault said in a commentary. "Chances are your shopping cart will be pretty empty when you get to the checkout counter."

Thibeault was discussing the strange fact that America's economy has been out of recession for well over a year, yet it continues to lose jobs. The National Bureau of Economic Research said Thursday that 1 million jobs have been lost during this recovery.

Many of those jobs aren't coming back, Thibeault thinks, despite tax cuts and strong consumer spending. They aren't coming back because they've moved overseas.

Hence, the Wal-Mart challenge.

Walking into Wal-Mart with a Times reporter was Randall Collier, 37, of Rogersville. Since 1987, Collier's primary business has been buying industrial sewing machines from plants closing here and shipping them to new plants in countries such as Peru.

"For every machine I sell," Collier said Wednesday, "there goes another American job."

Collier is promoting a new venture. He's trying to establish the USASells.com Website to give consumers a place to find American-made products.

"I don't know of one product we don't make," Collier said. "But if people don't start (buying here) now, they won't have a job themselves."

The Wal-Mart challenge was to spend the check coming soon to all American families with children. Congress this year increased the tax credit for raising children by $400 per child, and the money will be "advanced" to taxpayers in the form of checks beginning in a few weeks. The minimum check for a family with one child is $400.

Inside this typical Wal-Mart, clothes greet customers first. Clothes for the new school year would be a logical purchase with any cash windfall.

Virtually every brand is made overseas, including those with strong American images.

Levis jeans: Made in Cambodia.

Faded Glory shirts: Bangladesh.

Hanes underwear: Pakistan. Fruit of the Loom underwear: Honduras and El Salvador.

In the infant section, Cosco infant child seats are made in America, but Cosco playpens are made in China. Many companies seem to have one foot over the border.

A Disney "Winnie the Pooh" bear for baby? Made in China.

Fisher-Price diaper bag? China.

New shoes would be nice for fall.

Dr. Scholls? Made in China. Starter sneakers? China. Faded Glory sandals? China.

Curiously, America still makes the shoe strings and cushion insoles.

"Can we mention these?" Collier says, holding up a Murina brand T-shirt. It's a rare brand made in America.

"See these? These are Tee-Jays," Collier says. "They were in Florence, had 2,000 employees. They sold out. They're made in the Dominican Republic now."

The pattern continues across the store.

Foster Grant reading glasses? China.

Silk flowers? "All China now," Collier says. "They have a major distributing center in Haleyville."

Fabrics? India. China. Some are printed in America on imported fabric.

Rubbermaid and Igloo coolers? Made in the U.S.A.

Zebco fish fryers? El Salvador.

Rawlings baseball gloves? U.S.A.

Wilson, Prince and Head tennis rackets? China.

Black & Decker drills? Assembled in China.

Stanley hammers? Mexico.

Murray lawn tractors? The first in a line outside the Wal-Mart was made in Lawrenceburg, Tenn. The second? "Assembled in Lawrenceburg, Tenn."

Wal-Mart spokesman Wertz said the retailer stocks American items and regional favorites where it can. An Alabama example is Chilton County peaches, he said.

Wal-Mart also helps producers of American products like Denver's Orange Glow cleaner by selling that product in Wal-Mart stores abroad, Wertz said. The company has a special office devoted to that effort.

What economists wonder now is whether an up-and-down cycle of imports and exports has become a steady downward trend.

Collier estimates more than 5,000 textile and manufacturing jobs have left the Shoals area since the economy went global.

"And when (laid-off workers) went on unemployment, they went to the cheapest place they could to shop," he said. "They took their unemployment checks and went to Wal-Mart."


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To: fhayek
What you buy is your decsion, however it is the responcibility of the governement to see to it that what you buy was not made in a sweat shop by child labors, nor was it made by a monpolly that is fixing prices, nor was in made in a manner that is destructive of the environment. But tose were the old rules, today anything goes. Which is why hardly anything is made in the USA any more.
41 posted on 08/24/2003 9:10:38 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: templar
Our biggest problem is that the cost of government in included in the prices of our products via the income tax. Get rid of the damn income tax and US products will dramically drop in price. Tariffs and sales taxes are the way to go.
42 posted on 08/24/2003 9:14:08 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
I just don't see it that way. America's industrial development occured under many of the conditions you describe (child labor, harmful to the environment, etc.). We have chosen to change those conditions, other nations have not made those decisions yet. They would say, what right do we have to dictate to them how to run their affairs. (Just as we would say to them). If you are concerned about it, don't buy their products. That is your choice. But I should have the right to make my decision based upon my values. Your approach sounds oddly socialistic.
43 posted on 08/24/2003 9:17:50 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: jpsb
Tariffs and sales taxes are the way to go.

Absolutely. In the US, even our social security tax is a part of the real cost of goods sold, since it diminishes 'take home' wages (requiring higher wages to offset the deduction) and is also placed on business (the employer pays an amount equal to the worker). And this tax (only one of so many hidden taxes) is figured in to every level of production from raw materials to transportation to manufacture at every level. I have no idea exactly what the overall amount of hidden taxes in our products is, but I'm guessing in the 30 - 40 percent range. We have just too much going against us to compete in production with the third world lifestyle. We cannot compete while exporting our tax burden in the cost of our procucts.

44 posted on 08/24/2003 9:31:54 AM PDT by templar
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To: fhayek
”Either we believe in free-market capitalism or we don't. Capitalism is sometimes cruel, but it is the best chance we have. .”

The problem is that the global economy is not a free market economy. Japan, China, India, Europe, Middle East and (believe it or not) even Africa all have tariffs (or federal law) which protect their businesses from competition from America. Capitalism can indeed sometimes be cruel to workers – but democracy can also sometimes be cruel to business.

45 posted on 08/24/2003 9:41:48 AM PDT by thtr
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To: fhayek
I disagree, you should not have the right to support child labor or monpollies or practices that are distructive to the environment by your purchase of an offending product. I also do not think you should be allowed to buy stolen goods either. And I am perfectly willing to impose my views by force of law.
46 posted on 08/24/2003 9:58:48 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: fhayek
Your approach sounds oddly socialistic

Whatever, but my approach is the approach outlined in the Constitution. So I guess the Constitution is a socailist document huh?

47 posted on 08/24/2003 10:02:10 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: fhayek
Free trade is a double edge sword. If other countries can make products cheaper than the United States can (because of cheap labor), then it is futile to try to compete with that. If Americans can buy these products cheaper, they will spend their savings on other products, improving both their standard of living and helping to create other jobs elsewhere.

Your standard of living will not improve if you have a hard time affording the basics. When the good paying jobs go overseas.
48 posted on 08/24/2003 10:04:14 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: jpsb
I guess you have no problem with the Kyoto Accords then?
49 posted on 08/24/2003 10:05:32 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: jpsb
Whatever, but my approach is the approach outlined in the Constitution. So I guess the Constitution is a socailist document huh?

No not at all, but the Constitution also doesn't state your goal of putting a gun up to the head of Wal-Mart shoppers, who are looking for a the best bang for their buck.

50 posted on 08/24/2003 10:06:24 AM PDT by Dane
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To: scottlang
One thing that China has in abundance is cheap labor. This is a fact that cannot be changed by any amount of tariffs or quotas. Consumers in America, and in other countries will demand low cost goods, all other things being equal. America should compete in those areas where it has an advantage.
51 posted on 08/24/2003 10:09:16 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek
I do not have a problem with the princible of protecting the environment, but I do not think Kyoto made even a half way serious attempt at that.
52 posted on 08/24/2003 10:24:17 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Dane
Sure it does, read it sometime.

I do believe that somewhere it mentions what the federal government can and not not do. And if I am not mistaken the federal government can put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, after due process of course. I also pretty sure that the federal government is allowed to regulate commerce and impose tariffs.

53 posted on 08/24/2003 10:30:56 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: fhayek
"One thing that China has in abundance is cheap labor. This is a fact that cannot be changed by any amount of tariffs"

Wrong again, this is exactly what tariffs can change. If China gains a 30% advantange using low cost slave labor then a 30% tariff eliminates that advantage! It effectively raises the cost of Chinesse labor! Pretty cool huh?

54 posted on 08/24/2003 10:36:25 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: fhayek
Preach it to the Chinese. Everyone else is supposed to do what they want, and can interfere and subsidize as they please, but we have to tie our own hands. Forget that.

Capitalism can be cruel, and it should be more cruel to them than us.

55 posted on 08/24/2003 10:42:54 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: jpsb
I do believe that somewhere it mentions what the federal government can and not not do. And if I am not mistaken the federal government can put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, after due process of course. I also pretty sure that the federal government is allowed to regulate commerce and impose tariffs

Well why don't you go up to your local "evil" Wal-Mart and stand at the entrance and put a gun up to the consumers who wish to shop there.

According to you, it is okey dokey by the Constitution.

Of course you will be back on FR saying how the "pigs"(police officers) stopped you in your tracks, yada, yada, yada.

Your rhetoric is old, deranged, and pompous.

But what the hey, you revel in your role as a keyboard commando.

56 posted on 08/24/2003 10:45:35 AM PDT by Dane
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To: jpsb
Wrong again, this is exactly what tariffs can change. If China gains a 30% advantange using low cost slave labor then a 30% tariff eliminates that advantage! It effectively raises the cost of Chinesse labor! Pretty cool huh?

Uh, no. It only does that in this country. While we do this, Chinese manufacturers would be blissfully taking away market share from American manufactures in other countries. Your approach is a "head-in-the-sand" approach.

57 posted on 08/24/2003 10:54:52 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Dane
As usual Dane craps on other tread. I am surprised you have not be banned Dane. You contribute NOTHING ever, just jump into a debate and crap all over it. This by the way is behavior one tends to associate with a troll.

I am not at all suprised to see you on the side of child labor, monpolies and crapping on the environment.

58 posted on 08/24/2003 10:57:53 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: fhayek
If you are concerned about it, don't buy their products. That is your choice. But I should have the right to make my decision based upon my values. Your approach sounds oddly socialistic.

And yours sounds oddly unpatriotic. Your $2 savings that you value so much could be used to employ an American worker and thus have a ripple effect in our economy. In your theoretical world you would invest the $2 saved in U.S. productive enterprises. But in the real world you'll just spend it on more Chinese crap.

The bottom line is your approach is just rationalized laziness. It's easier to buy all your crap at Walmart in one trip rather than take the time to find smaller businesses that sell American made goods. The rest of us will make up for the lost tax revenue as you slowly squeeze Americans out of higher paying jobs.

59 posted on 08/24/2003 11:00:48 AM PDT by palmer (paid for by the "Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler" campaign.)
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To: fhayek
If America imports from elsewhere, other than China, we will be far better off.

For every dollar we import from China, we export about 15 cents. With Mexico the dynamic is for every dollar we import, we export about 75 cents.

Its not perfect, but it is FAR better.

If China stops their currency peg, and other forms of subsidies, then their prices will be at least on par with Mexico. When you take into account geography, Mexico will be a FAR better investment. We get cheap stuff AND we export, unlike now.

60 posted on 08/24/2003 11:03:07 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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