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'Made in U.S.A.' label harder to find as jobs move overseas
al.com ^ | 8/24/03 | cp124

Posted on 08/24/2003 7:03:07 AM PDT by cp124

Many won't be back; take shopping cart and check out why

07/20/03

By LEE ROOP Times Features Editor lroop@htimes.com

Two people walked into a Huntsville Wal-Mart last week on a challenge: Spend $400 on products made in America.

Two people walked out of Wal-Mart one hour later after randomly checking 40-plus items. Only 10 were made in the USA.

It isn't just Wal-Mart, America's largest retailer. Imported goods line shelves elsewhere, too. But what that means for American workers is the subject of a new economic debate.

"It's a huge issue," Wal-Mart spokesman Bill Wertz agreed Friday, confirming the import trend. "Customers are looking for value ... we try to stock what our customers want to buy."

New Hampshire economist Russ Thibeault threw out the Wal-Mart challenge July 10 on "Marketplace," an award-winning public radio show about the economy.

"Take a trip into your local Wal-Mart and spend your tax refund check on stuff that will generate U.S. jobs," Thibeault said in a commentary. "Chances are your shopping cart will be pretty empty when you get to the checkout counter."

Thibeault was discussing the strange fact that America's economy has been out of recession for well over a year, yet it continues to lose jobs. The National Bureau of Economic Research said Thursday that 1 million jobs have been lost during this recovery.

Many of those jobs aren't coming back, Thibeault thinks, despite tax cuts and strong consumer spending. They aren't coming back because they've moved overseas.

Hence, the Wal-Mart challenge.

Walking into Wal-Mart with a Times reporter was Randall Collier, 37, of Rogersville. Since 1987, Collier's primary business has been buying industrial sewing machines from plants closing here and shipping them to new plants in countries such as Peru.

"For every machine I sell," Collier said Wednesday, "there goes another American job."

Collier is promoting a new venture. He's trying to establish the USASells.com Website to give consumers a place to find American-made products.

"I don't know of one product we don't make," Collier said. "But if people don't start (buying here) now, they won't have a job themselves."

The Wal-Mart challenge was to spend the check coming soon to all American families with children. Congress this year increased the tax credit for raising children by $400 per child, and the money will be "advanced" to taxpayers in the form of checks beginning in a few weeks. The minimum check for a family with one child is $400.

Inside this typical Wal-Mart, clothes greet customers first. Clothes for the new school year would be a logical purchase with any cash windfall.

Virtually every brand is made overseas, including those with strong American images.

Levis jeans: Made in Cambodia.

Faded Glory shirts: Bangladesh.

Hanes underwear: Pakistan. Fruit of the Loom underwear: Honduras and El Salvador.

In the infant section, Cosco infant child seats are made in America, but Cosco playpens are made in China. Many companies seem to have one foot over the border.

A Disney "Winnie the Pooh" bear for baby? Made in China.

Fisher-Price diaper bag? China.

New shoes would be nice for fall.

Dr. Scholls? Made in China. Starter sneakers? China. Faded Glory sandals? China.

Curiously, America still makes the shoe strings and cushion insoles.

"Can we mention these?" Collier says, holding up a Murina brand T-shirt. It's a rare brand made in America.

"See these? These are Tee-Jays," Collier says. "They were in Florence, had 2,000 employees. They sold out. They're made in the Dominican Republic now."

The pattern continues across the store.

Foster Grant reading glasses? China.

Silk flowers? "All China now," Collier says. "They have a major distributing center in Haleyville."

Fabrics? India. China. Some are printed in America on imported fabric.

Rubbermaid and Igloo coolers? Made in the U.S.A.

Zebco fish fryers? El Salvador.

Rawlings baseball gloves? U.S.A.

Wilson, Prince and Head tennis rackets? China.

Black & Decker drills? Assembled in China.

Stanley hammers? Mexico.

Murray lawn tractors? The first in a line outside the Wal-Mart was made in Lawrenceburg, Tenn. The second? "Assembled in Lawrenceburg, Tenn."

Wal-Mart spokesman Wertz said the retailer stocks American items and regional favorites where it can. An Alabama example is Chilton County peaches, he said.

Wal-Mart also helps producers of American products like Denver's Orange Glow cleaner by selling that product in Wal-Mart stores abroad, Wertz said. The company has a special office devoted to that effort.

What economists wonder now is whether an up-and-down cycle of imports and exports has become a steady downward trend.

Collier estimates more than 5,000 textile and manufacturing jobs have left the Shoals area since the economy went global.

"And when (laid-off workers) went on unemployment, they went to the cheapest place they could to shop," he said. "They took their unemployment checks and went to Wal-Mart."


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1 posted on 08/24/2003 7:03:07 AM PDT by cp124
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To: cp124
It's free trade in action. We buy crap, we get crappy jobs. We freely do it.
2 posted on 08/24/2003 7:06:43 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: cp124
I did my own version of this yesterday. I wanted a pair of leather work gloves for the yard and wanted them made in America. After checking the fourth store, I gave up and bought the only thing available: Chinese made gloves.

I had a hard time believing it.

3 posted on 08/24/2003 7:14:00 AM PDT by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: dogbyte12
Free trade is a double edge sword. If other countries can make products cheaper than the United States can (because of cheap labor), then it is futile to try to compete with that. If Americans can buy these products cheaper, they will spend their savings on other products, improving both their standard of living and helping to create other jobs elsewhere.
4 posted on 08/24/2003 7:16:47 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Glenn
Try buying miniature american flags and see where alot of them are made. The irony is overwhelming.
5 posted on 08/24/2003 7:17:03 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
It's more than just the free market... companies switched their plants to china, bangladesh, etc to increase their profits. The only people who make out when that happens is the upper management of the company.

I actually look at the labels and buy american goods when possible. It's just not that easy to do anymore.

6 posted on 08/24/2003 7:18:56 AM PDT by dfrussell
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To: dfrussell
But often the quality isn't the same. Those cheap ass DVD players or tv that Wal-Mart sells that are made over there, often are 30% less, but they break down twice as often.

The last time I did this was on a DVD player, and I just quit doing that. I paid $89, but it only lasted 10 months.

Wal-Mart sells cheap crap. It would be the equivalent of us shutting down every gourmet restaurant in this country, and then replacing it with $3 for all you can eat buffets. Yeah, you might get "more" food, and for cheaper, but it really hasn't improved your quality of life one bit. You are fat, and eating crap.

I encourage everybody to look at the price of things at a place like Wal-Mart, and picture that this price came after accounting for labor, materials, shipping, wholesaler mark up, wal-mart mark up, and Wal-Mart is still making a good profit on it. If you try to do the math on these products, you have to know that something is being short changed. Labor is not the only place where quality is being shortchanged. Materials, quality control are as well.

8 posted on 08/24/2003 7:26:32 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
I know you know this, but I'll say it anyway.
Our current trade policies are hurting us. We don't really "freely do it", we (the consumers) have little choice (as the article pointed out).
China is most definitely not engaging in free trade, they have tariffs and are manipulating the market and devaluing the Yuan 40%. Besides this they use slave labor. There is also evidence that they are using economics instead of a military to weaken us.
Our Congress is failing in its Constitutional duty to "regulate commerce", and protect us.

"And when (laid-off workers) went on unemployment, they went to the cheapest place they could to shop," he said. "They took their unemployment checks and went to Wal-Mart."
Sounds like a socialist future if the Congress doesn't make the necessary changes.
9 posted on 08/24/2003 7:29:19 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: cp124
Careful when you buy Rubbermaid. I was picking up some paintbrushes and found that their low- to mid-range stuff was made in China, but the "good" stuff was made in the USA. It was hard to tell the difference between a the mid-range and high-end natural bristle brush.

The price difference was a couple of bucks. Small price to pay to help keep some American employed.

I'm also starting to re-think my preference for power tools. DeWalt has always made quality, dependable power tools, but all their products all carry the label "Assembled in the USA from imported components". Need more info.
10 posted on 08/24/2003 7:32:24 AM PDT by Doohickey (Hey, I need you to go down to the torpedo room and get me some tag line.)
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
It spirals doesn't it. A company lays off their workers and moves operations to Mexico. The workers, who are in bad shape, go to Wal-mart, because they are desperately trying to save money. That means that less people are buying american goods, so another company takes off to India, their laid off workers head to wal-mart, and so on and so on.

Wal-Mart hires a bunch of these people at wages that only make them able to buy at Wal-Mart, and on it goes. They can only do this for so long until we spiral out of control. The wealthy hire accountants to shelter their money. They put it overseas. The upper middle class now are starting to lose jobs to China and India. Who is going to pay taxes then to support all the people demanding benefits?

11 posted on 08/24/2003 7:35:30 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: cp124
We need to do two things as I see it. We need to stop practicing "free trade" with nations which practice mercantilism against us, and we need to start doing a better job of deciding which industries to keep, and which it would be counterproductive to try to keep.

The best example I can think of would be steel and carbonfibre. If it's true that saving one job in the steel industry costs the US $800,000, then we're obviously better off not trying to do it; there's a 10-1 savings just handing former steel workers $80,000 a year. Exporting a sunrise industry like carbonfibre on the other hand guarantees that the only things we'll ever see made of it are golf clubs and tennis racquets whereas, if we protected such an industry, we could see an entire new unbelievable age of building in America in which skyscrapers could be put together in weeks rather than years, the layers being lifted one on top of the other and simply snapped together. Aluminum was more costly than gold when first developed; it would have stayed that way if we'd given the aluminum industry to the Chinese.

Somebody, preferably a republican, needs to step up and become the Andrew Carnegie of carbonfibre.

The jobs of entire groups of people who vote for republicans should certainly not be exported, and this certainly includes the computer and tech sectors. Adam Smith as I see it was basically a charlatan. This country was basically built around ideas which were polar opposites of the notion of any "invisible hand", most particularly the ideas of Friedrich List and the idea of the "American system of economics", and the American worker cannot compete on a dollar basis with people who live in thatch huts . This is crucial. The economy has to improve within the next year for Republicans to feel secure of winning, and jobs are the most major key. When a company like IBM sets out to export an entire category of technical jobs to India, they are basically trying to destroy the Republican party. They should be treated accordingly by a Republican administration.

Obvious also is that technologies necessary to our defense should be kept at home.

12 posted on 08/24/2003 7:40:28 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Our Congress is failing in its Constitutional duty to "regulate commerce", and protect us.

Regulate commerce? And this is supposed to be a pro-individual, anti government intervention site. Either we believe in free-market capitalism or we don't. Capitalism is sometimes cruel, but it is the best chance we have.

13 posted on 08/24/2003 7:40:43 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: dogbyte12
I really don't think that's a disputable point. Nobody who demands quality and reliability buys electronics, power tools or any other "high-ticket" item from Wal-Mart.

But, apparently we're in the minority. I shop Wal-Mart mainly for groceries (same brands, lower prices) and never fail to see people with a cartload of crappy TVs or DVD players.

People just don't respect brand any more for these items. These same people have a definate Coke-or-Pepsi or Ford-or-Chevy preference.

I'm old enough to remember when Curtis-Mathes was the Cadillac of TVs (also back when Cadillac was the Cadillac of cars). People had a preference bewteen, say, Zenith and RCA.

What happened? Those companies bailed overseas and became just like everyone else.
14 posted on 08/24/2003 7:42:52 AM PDT by Doohickey (Hey, I need you to go down to the torpedo room and get me some tag line.)
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To: fhayek
Regulate commerce? And this is supposed to be a pro-individual, anti government intervention site. Either we believe in free-market capitalism or we don't. Capitalism is sometimes cruel, but it is the best chance we have.

You do not go to a gunfight with a knife. This isn't free market capitalism. That is the point. Slave laborers aren't free. We are not free to ship consumer items to China without paying a tarriff, but we are able to ship manufacturing plants.

If you say that we should compete with nations on equal footing with us, who have the same trade policy as us, I say fine. As an american, I welcome the challenge. That isn't the reality when you compete with China.

15 posted on 08/24/2003 7:50:52 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: fhayek
The Constitution grants Congress the power to "regulate commerce" for good reason. I have those words in quotes because I am quoting the U.S. Constitution.
To begin with, we do not currently have "free trade". The market is completely manipulated. The WTO is making sure that it is manipulated against us. We have a huge trade deficit.
There are numerous threads about the problems with our current trade policies. If you have not yet read harpseal's list of improvements to that policy, it is on his profile and posted on most of the outsourcing and trade threads.

Here is just a sampling of recent threads in regards to our trade policy with Communist China:

China Trade: High Time for a Change in US Policy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966302/posts

FBI: China has 3000 espionage “front” companies in U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966227/posts

China blocks foreign software use in gov't
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966184/posts

China plans to grab imported technology
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/964677/posts

Another Kind of War - China’s monetary manipulation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/963368/posts

'Smart-bomb' technology moving to China
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962493/posts

Red China Manipulates Currency for Trade Advantage
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960636/posts

BTW, the speechwriter for your hero Ronald Reagan once believed the free trade mantra, but he wised up.
16 posted on 08/24/2003 7:51:44 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: cp124
Our government's income should be based on tariffs, rather than on the income of folks here. Tariffs provide a financial bias against foreign manufacturers. Our present tax structure provides a financial bias against local manufacturers.
17 posted on 08/24/2003 7:53:32 AM PDT by per loin
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To: dogbyte12
For whatever reason, the products coming from China are cheaper. This is a fact. The consumers in this country have spoken. If you erect trade barriers, consumers will still demand the lower cost products, and when the barriers come down (as they always do), the damage to American industries will be harsh. I say compete where we can, and buy the lower priced products where we are able.

American industries do not just sell to Americans, they sell internationally, If they are not allowed to build plants overseas, they would be out of business. There are certain economic realities that cannot be ignored. Trade protectionism simply doesn't work. Ask Japan.

18 posted on 08/24/2003 7:59:41 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: cp124
I was just at a job fair in Pittsburgh, and the US Army had a table set up. They were giving away freebies, so I got a US Army key chain. On the plastic wrapper was a label that said made in China. I pointed it out to the recruiter and he said I wasn't the first one to make a comment.
19 posted on 08/24/2003 8:02:10 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: per loin
What I like about tarriffs is that if not too exhorbitant, it can actually help the economy.

An example. Two widget makers. One is dealing with a US tax rate, workers, safety, environmental issues, the like.

They can produce widgets for $3 each, and sell them for $4.50.

Their competitors, set up shop in China. They dump toxins into the river, contract for prison labor, have the doors chained shut, and though their workers are less productive, they can hire more, and still produce widgets for $2. You put a tarriff of 40% on those widgets. The cost to the manufacaturer now is $2.80. Still cheaper than it is to make the american product, but marginally so. American consumers now have a choice of taking small savings (which many will do), or paying marginally more for american made goods. The tarriff goes into the general treasury, and taxes are dropped accordingly.

As the tax rates drop, you drop the tarriff rates, as the costs in producing the item are reduced here in the US.

20 posted on 08/24/2003 8:05:43 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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