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Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Disrespecting a Popular Icon
22 Aug 03 | xzins

Posted on 08/22/2003 7:08:16 AM PDT by xzins

It is reported that Napoleon Bonaparte once said, “It is religion that keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” Rich is, of course, a relative term. One can be “rich” in money, and in the world of religion one can be “rich” in spirit, and in the political realm one can be “rich” in power.

Who is in danger of being murdered?

James Dobson, the leader of “Focus on the Family” has recently voiced his displeasure with the Republican Party over their failure to deliver benefits to the Christian conservatives for their support over these many years. Despite a Senate majority, despite a ‘conservative’ President, despite an iron-grip conservative hold on the House of Representatives, there is precious little (nothing?) from the conservative Christian agenda that has been successfully guided to implementation. In fact, there appears to be backward momentum.

Abortion is as big as ever. School vouchers are little experiments here and there but not under federal authority. Sexuality is now considered under the heading of a newfound freedom of ‘privacy’ that allows any sexual practice to escape even the most reasonable bio-medical review by a state legislature. Marriage is in jeopardy from Massachusetts to California as liberals successfully redefine that institution, considering any form of partnering leading to sexual release on the same par with a man and woman creating and rearing a family.

And now activist judges, seemingly in league with the ACLU, are excising our country’s religious symbols at what can only be described as a hostile pace. They are being permitted to dismantle America’s historic culture of Judeo-Christian morality and replace it with a culture that these judicial architects claim will be neutral, but which is in fact anti-theistic.

Permitted? Who is permitting it?

The religious conservatives would say, “Those we placed our hope in have permitted it. None of the big names stood with us on the firing line. None of them picked sides, went public with their verbal support, and then went public with their actions which demonstrated support.” Not even Attorney General John Ashcroft, the supposed insider religious conservative, spoke up. (John hasn’t spoken up in some time now. Is he gagged?)

We are reminded of the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

The Republican Party, very rich in power, is in danger from the common people who make up its religious base.

And right now Judge Roy Moore has immense “good will” with that same religious conservative base of the Republican Party. Where did this good will come from? In the eyes of those conservative Christians, Moore was willing to sacrifice himself for one of their concerns. Make no mistake, they trust this man. His stock is very high in that group at this moment.

We’re told that if Al Gore had received even one percent less of the African American vote, that the 2000 election wouldn’t have even been close. How much more if George W. Bush had received one percent less of the Christian conservative vote? We’re told that Bill Clinton won two elections without ever having a majority of the vote because Ross Perot took up to nineteen percent of the Republican vote away from them. The message is clear. A third candidate popular with religious conservatives will kill the Bush Re-election.

"Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you...." (William Arthur Ward.)

To refuse a hearing at the highest level is an insult to a man who in his own sphere has reached the top rung. Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Judge Roy Moore, has definitely worked his way to a high enough position to have earned the right to be heard. And, in giving a hearing to Moore, they give a hearing to his supporters. Whether the powers in the Republican Party understand the necessity of giving him his hearing is entirely a different subject.

But, if I were an operative for the Constitution Party, and if I were a disgruntled conservative Christian, I would definitely see a man with tremendous name recognition, a solid base of support, and a whole boatload of determination.

Someone needs to talk real-politik to the Republican members of the Supreme Court.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; constitutionparty; gop; politics; religion; roymoore; separation; tencommandments
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To: Right Wing Professor
I haven't confused anything. It's your true identity that is unknown. You continue to divert from questions...a sure sign of lack of 'strength of your own convictions'...whatever they are.
101 posted on 08/22/2003 10:01:25 AM PDT by NewLand (The truth can't be ignored...)
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To: xzins
Actually, I'm advocating that the Republicans keep him in the fold by giving him his hearing before the full Supreme Court.

Look at my post #100. The Republicans--or anyone else-- have no influence whatsoever on the Supreme Court. What do you propose these Republicans do? Speak to the Supreme Court Justices about a pending case? That's a huge breach of judicial ethics. Pressure them in some way to take the case, and if so, how? Force them in some way to take the case, and if so, how? Threaten them, as you're doing, to take the case or we'll put in a Dem as president? Not too smart, I tell ya. Didn't you suffer enough under Clinton--or do you think our country needs four years of another Dem?

102 posted on 08/22/2003 10:05:52 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: xzins
Actually, I'm advocating that the Republicans keep him in the fold by giving him his hearing before the full Supreme Court.
He and his supporters will then be grateful to/bound to those who helped him.

So if the Republicans give Moore a hearing before the SC, he won't jump party lines and slit the vote???

1) The republicans don't have that kind of pull with the SC

2) that sounds like extortion .. Something Jesse Jackson would do

3) You NOT helping Judge Moore IMO .. Because before I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt .. now I'm just getting annoyed

103 posted on 08/22/2003 10:06:03 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: Catspaw
The phrase "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" is probably true of women, but it's equally true of men.

If his party won't support him with something this simple when he's the chief justice in one of the states -- a lofty position -- then why should he not strike out on his own to give his ideas/beliefs a chance to impact this culture.

This is especially true if he's (as I think he is) a true believer.
104 posted on 08/22/2003 10:06:09 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
"I wonder if PRINCIPLE + God = Victory."

well now you're just talking crazy..

bless you

105 posted on 08/22/2003 10:09:27 AM PDT by sweet_diane (Philippians 4:12-13)
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To: xzins
If his party won't support him with something this simple when he's the chief justice in one of the states -- a lofty position -- then why should he not strike out on his own to give his ideas/beliefs a chance to impact this culture.

That is nothing but extortion .. either he is a republican or he is not .. Jim Jeffords ring a bell?

106 posted on 08/22/2003 10:10:08 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: Catspaw; Mo1
Do you honestly believe these folks have no influence with the courts?

I think it's a matter of phone calls, promises, and dinner parties.

That's the way the rest of the political world works. I have no illusions about so-called judicial "neutrality." They simply aren't.

Why would a true believer NOT try another means of having his ideas implemented? There's nothing immoral or disloyal about that.

I could make a strong case for "to thine own self be true."
107 posted on 08/22/2003 10:10:12 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Hey, I'll call your bluff. I urge Moore to run for President under the Constitution Party banner. He might as well. He's really got nowhere to go in Alabama.
108 posted on 08/22/2003 10:13:45 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: xzins
Why would a true believer NOT try another means of having his ideas implemented? There's nothing immoral or disloyal about that

It' extortion .. something the likes of Bill Clinton would do

I thought the Constitution Party was suppose to stand for principals? .. I guess not

109 posted on 08/22/2003 10:16:30 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: Mo1
There's no Jeffords like disloyalty here.

Jeffords was elected as a Republican and then ignored those votes when he jumped to the Democrats.

If someone like Moore were to officially leave the Republican Party, officially join another party, and then run as a candidate from that party, then his votes would all come from those who vote for his new party.

Incidentally, that is what Ronald Reagan did. He switched parties and ran under the banner of his new party.

It's what Teddy Roosevelt did....Pat Buchanen...for that matter, George Washington.

To be blocked from pursuing your dream and to then seek alternative ways of achieving it is forged into very spirit of America. That was the point of the Revolution.
110 posted on 08/22/2003 10:16:40 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
I give him the same chance as Keyes in a national election.

You're right that the heart of this is the Supreme Court's false Establishment doctrine and they should hear his case.
There is a natural force in our politics to make them conform to the Constitution.

111 posted on 08/22/2003 10:18:17 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Catspaw
Bluff?

I already said that I'd prefer they give him his day in court so that he remains with the Republicans.

However, if they don't, then I understand if he goes elsewhere to pursue his ideals.

There is an early link on this thread, however, that mentions his giving a speech at a Constitution Party event (or something like that.)
112 posted on 08/22/2003 10:19:23 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: NewLand
It's your true identity that is unknown

What a hypocrite! My name is available from my profile. I don't post anonymously. You do.

You continue to divert from questions...a sure sign of lack of 'strength of your own convictions'...whatever they are.

Attempt at slur by innuendo noted.

113 posted on 08/22/2003 10:19:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: xzins
If someone like Moore were to officially leave the Republican Party, officially join another party, and then run as a candidate from that party, then his votes would all come from those who vote for his new party.

Incidentally, that is what Ronald Reagan did. He switched parties and ran under the banner of his new party.

Switching a party because the party in not in line with your beliefs is one thing

Switching a party just because they won't bend to your threats is another

Again .. you are NOT helping Judge Moore at all

114 posted on 08/22/2003 10:20:42 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: Mo1
I am not now nor ever have been a member of the Constitution Party, so I cannot comment on their principles.

However, I am a registered Republican. I've regularly donated to our candidates in the past. I am a religious conservative. I am fed up with lip service.

I do want Moore to have his day in court.
115 posted on 08/22/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: mrsmith
You're right that the heart of this is the Supreme Court's false Establishment doctrine and they should hear his case. There is a natural force in our politics to make them conform to the Constitution.

I think they will be extremly reticent to hear this case.

Judge Moore scares them and is a lightening rod for the left and the right libertarians. The issue has almost been lost to the personalities thanks to the media and their cohorts here and other places.

But the natural extension of banning the Ten Commandments , a section of the Bible, is to ban the Bibile from the court house.

This court won't do it but another will. Like honey to the bee for the Ninth Circuit. How can they resist?

117 posted on 08/22/2003 10:23:11 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: xzins
I do want Moore to have his day in court.

I would like to see that also .. BUT not under your terms

118 posted on 08/22/2003 10:23:26 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: Right Wing Professor
What a hypocrite! My name is available from my profile. I don't post anonymously. You do.

I was referring to your political identity, not your personal identity, of which I couldn't care less about.

Anyway, you never tackled the fact that it is the left wing of the Republican Party that not only poses the most danger to maintaining our majority, but already has 'walked' and already has caused difficulties for true Conservatives. Most people here on FR and in all conservative circles agree with this.

If you dispute this, then this will tell us a little more about where you stand on being a conservative republican.

Can you tackle a direct statement or question, or do you prefer theory?

120 posted on 08/22/2003 10:25:51 AM PDT by NewLand (The truth can't be ignored...)
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