God Bless Judge Roy Moore - Save the Ten Commandments

http://www.dondodd.com/zeiger/hans.html ^ | August 21, 2003 | Hans Zeiger

[CtPoliticsGuy]

In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term "God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does," wrote the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of God. Like Mr. Surf City, Judge Myron Thompson misunderstood the relationship between God and government when he ruled that Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore cannot display the Ten Commandments.

In this iconic battle between American values and liberal secularism, every political and social debate that is worth the fight will be won or lost. The Ten Commandments must remain on display in Montgomery, Alabama and in the hearts of Americans from coast to coast.

We are blessed to live in a nation where the Ten Commandments are the basis of our system of law and justice, as well as of our common moral code and culture. The law of God alone contains the actual rights to life, liberty, and property. The commandments are universal repudiations of every attempt by individuals and governments to murder, enslave, and steal.

The Founding Fathers recognized that government cannot grant rights by the same token that it cannot take them away. Instead, "All men are created equal . . . they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."

The genius of the constitutional Bill of Rights is that it respects the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and property granted by God. Instead of granting or creating rights, the Bill of Rights plainly asserts that government lacks certain rights. "Congress shall make no law . . ." "The right of the people . . . shall not be infringed." "The right of the people . . . shall not be violated." The Bill of Rights tells us what government cannot do.

But to become acquainted with the actual establishment of rights, we must turn to the moral law of God.

The First Commandment is, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." In response to this commandment, the Left talks about "freedom from religion." Yet from the First Commandment to the First Amendment, there is no such thing as freedom from religion.

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[TigersEye]

...or at least how it's been pretty much been construed over many decades.

Hmmm, yes, perhaps so. Ever since FDR stacked the court with commies and toadies.

[=Intervention=]

"The First Amendment is binding on the states. Whether or not you agree is interesting but irrelevant."

Here we go again...more FUD. "Congress shall make no law" = "The states shall make no law" Welcome to 1984! Or is it the fourteenth amendment to the US Constitution now somehow applies to the States? *scratching head*

[goldstategop]

Our rights derive from God in the political thought of The Founders and also in the design of the Constitution. You know the real dust up over the just removed monument in Alabama is the Left is telling us the basic laws of right and wrong we live by our entire lives, not to murder, steal, sin, covet, etc. - are now too controversial to honor in the public square. Now that's stunning. I mean we can have liberal atheism, moral relativism, the idea the government can grant and take away our freedoms like they're some privilege but folks we can't ever have mention of God, an absolute notion of right and wrong and inalienable rights which God gave us for our our security and happiness since people might get the wrong ideas! Today in Alabama we lost more ground in the culture wars. But people are beginning to stand up for what we know to be true and eternal and fighting to take our country back no matter how long it takes for that to happen. Believe me conservatives are mad as hell and won't take it any more. The federal judicial tyrants lit something in the good people of Alabama and this country that's going to burn on for a long time to come.

[Dog Gone]

Scratch head all you like. Are you willing to state that you have no first amendment rights?

[comnet]

Bill Federer’s American Minute:
August 21, 2003
Born in Scotland, he was one of only six founding fathers to sign both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. President George Washington appointed him a Justice on the Supreme Court. One of the most active members at the Constitutional Convention, he spoke 168 times. His name was James Wilson and he died this day, August 21, 1798. The first law professor of the University of Pennsylvania, James Wilson wrote: "It should always be remembered, that this law, natural or revealed, flows from the same divine source; it is the law of God.... Human law must rest its authority, ultimately, upon the authority of that law, which is divine."

[TigersEye]

..and not being able to pay for a hunk of rock out of public funds.

I don't believe it was. Was it?

Care to explain this one a bit more completely?

The Church of England was prescribed by British law. Everything religious had to conform to its mandates. Now Judge Moore makes an expression of his religious convictions, breaking no state laws, and a federal judge and court have ordered him to conform to their religious standards which happens to be 'no expression of religion allowed'. They have told him what he can and can't do respecting the establishment of his religion. His expression was in concert with the Alabama State Constitution as expressed in its preamble. It invoked the power of the Almighty. He invoked the power of the Almighty. The 11th Circuit Court violated the Tenth Amendment by intervening in a State matter that is not delegated to the U.S. gov. by the federal Constitution. Their Constitution. Both Thompson and the 11th have violated Moore's 1st A. rights of freedom of speech and free exercise of religion.

[strela]

The 11th Circuit Court violated the Tenth Amendment by intervening in a State matter that is not delegated to the U.S. gov. by the federal Constitution.

The USSC apparently doesn't agree with you - they declined to get involved. I'll hold the counsel of the supreme law of the land over yours, thanks.

[TigersEye]

The USSC apparently doesn't agree with you - they declined to get involved. I'll hold the counsel of the supreme law of the land over yours, thanks.

You're welcome. You can hold whatever you want to.

However your statements are factually incorrect. The USSC declined to hear the case which means they have rendered no opinion whatsoever. You can assume the meaning of that if you want but there is still no opinion to compare mine with. Since they didn't hear the case no counsel was held.

Fast and loose with the facts doesn't cut it.

[Abogado]

Strela crawled forth and spewed:

"Holier-than-thou, intolerant so-called "Christians" conveniently forget the parts of the Bible that state "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's ..." in order to attack others."

Uhh, ever hear of a Constitutional Republic?
Hint, we the people are Ceasar!



Uhhh, we are Ceaser

[strela]

Hint, we the people are Ceasar! Uhhh, we are Ceaser

So, are we "Ceasar" or are we "Ceaser"? I'll just go ask Caesar and find out.

[strela]

However your statements are factually incorrect. The USSC declined to hear the case which means they have rendered no opinion whatsoever.

That's what I said, genius. My exact words were "The USSC apparently doesn't agree with you - they declined to get involved." You really need to work on that reading comprehension thing.

[f.Christian]

the extra-judicial activism going on here is coming from Moore.

66 posted on 08/21/2003 7:13 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)

Separation of state and religion has nothing to do with God ... this is the atheist LIBERAL religion activism !

[kiki p]

Here's what I want to know - I just moved to Bama this summer, and have registered to vote. There's a big tax bill vote coming up in September, and being new here, I'm trying to research it and learn all I can before voting day. Now there's this situation, and I can't help but wonder - what is all this costing the taxpayers of Alabama? Can't Judge Moore just put it in his front yard and save us all a little money? My understanding is we're not doing so well financially. Why create this additional burden?

[AnimalLover]

'Pagan god' sneaked in California budget

Posted by joesnuffy On 07/31/2003 8:47 AM PDT with 80 comments http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33847

Interesting the monument to Islam in the Dearborn Courthouse. Not a peep from anyone. How about this one in good, old California? Nary a rumble here either!

[muir_redwoods]

I'm sure the people of Alabama don't need Judge Moore at all. They existed a long time before he came along and I hope they exist a very long time after he's gone. It seems most urgent, to me at least, to get the fed's out of the question so it can be decided locally.

Personally, I don't think a display of the Ten Commandments is necessary anywhere. If one wants a printed copy to read there are many available. I live in Connecticut. My opinion has no more valid standing in this present instance than does the federal court's.

[muir_redwoods]

"They're called "citizens." You can tell them from the ones who don't - they're called "anarchists."

In some places those who obey are called "subjects" They may think of themselves as free but their status is very different from "Citizens". Freedom is all about keeping necessary government as local as possible. Next to the 2nd amendment, it is one of the best preservatives of freedom there is

[agooga]

I've thought a lot about this issue and my opinion is going to come off as a bit odd to most people here. First off, I am a libertarian agnostic- so that should tip you off right away....

I support the concept of allowing religious imagery in public spaces, primarily because I can't find a prohibition for them in the Constitution.

However, I must then believe that it is proper to allow imagery from the various relioud faiths to be displayed wherever and whenever the people find it appropriate. A Buddha in front of a Little Tokyo civic building, a Quetzacoatle situated in a park in East L.A., A Torah in the Miracle Mile, A quote from Mohammed near a Muslim community.

My sense is that the First Amendment tells us that Congress shall make no law establishing one religion above all others- this idea must be the logical and least interpretive manifestation of that doctrine.