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God Bless Judge Roy Moore - Save the Ten Commandments
http://www.dondodd.com/zeiger/hans.html ^ | August 21, 2003 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 08/21/2003 4:05:58 PM PDT by CtPoliticsGuy

In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term "God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does," wrote the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of God. Like Mr. Surf City, Judge Myron Thompson misunderstood the relationship between God and government when he ruled that Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore cannot display the Ten Commandments.

In this iconic battle between American values and liberal secularism, every political and social debate that is worth the fight will be won or lost. The Ten Commandments must remain on display in Montgomery, Alabama and in the hearts of Americans from coast to coast.

We are blessed to live in a nation where the Ten Commandments are the basis of our system of law and justice, as well as of our common moral code and culture. The law of God alone contains the actual rights to life, liberty, and property. The commandments are universal repudiations of every attempt by individuals and governments to murder, enslave, and steal.

The Founding Fathers recognized that government cannot grant rights by the same token that it cannot take them away. Instead, "All men are created equal . . . they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."

The genius of the constitutional Bill of Rights is that it respects the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and property granted by God. Instead of granting or creating rights, the Bill of Rights plainly asserts that government lacks certain rights. "Congress shall make no law . . ." "The right of the people . . . shall not be infringed." "The right of the people . . . shall not be violated." The Bill of Rights tells us what government cannot do.

But to become acquainted with the actual establishment of rights, we must turn to the moral law of God.

The First Commandment is, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." In response to this commandment, the Left talks about "freedom from religion." Yet from the First Commandment to the First Amendment, there is no such thing as freedom from religion.

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To: strela
A few of us can see reminders of God's greatness just by looking out the window, at a sunset, or at a newborn baby.

Knock yourself out. Few Freepers would disagree.

 With some, I guess they need a hunk of rock even if the law says it is not proper to do so.

Correct. Except that it's 100% lawful. Here you have a bunch of smart Alec, runt of the litter lawyers trying to banish God's word from the public square.

21 posted on 08/21/2003 4:51:06 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
There is something so "french" about the left's desire to deny the historical significance of religion.

If you do not know where you have been, how can you possibly know where you are going?

The left would have you believe they created themselves from thin air.
22 posted on 08/21/2003 4:52:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: dennisw
Except that it's 100% lawful.

The courts say no.

Here you have a bunch of smart Alec, runt of the litter lawyers trying to banish God's word from the public square.

Nothing wrong with "God's word" - just don't ask for my tax dollars to pay for it.

23 posted on 08/21/2003 4:54:29 PM PDT by strela ("Each of us can find a maggot in our past which will happily devour our futures." Horatio Hornblower)
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To: Amelia
Judger Moore already turned down requests from citizens of Alabama who wanted to put up just the sorts of displays you mentioned.

I guess the building is his now.
24 posted on 08/21/2003 4:55:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: longtermmemmory
There is something so "french" about the left's desire to deny the historical significance of religion.

Once they deny the historical sigificance of the the Ten Commandments in our system of law, the law will have no foundation beyond what someone in power at the time says it has. They can play havoc with it the same way they have played havoc with the Constitution.

Ultimately, the system will degenerate into what was quite eloquently said in another thread when referring to the mind set of the Islamists.

"There is no right and no wrong. There is only that which serves us."

Becki

25 posted on 08/21/2003 4:58:24 PM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Judger Moore already turned down requests from citizens of Alabama who wanted to put up just the sorts of displays you mentioned.

Can they explain the significance of these displays to our system of law? What historical value do they have and what have they contributed to it?

There are several cultures founded on those ideals, but ours is not one of them.

Becki

26 posted on 08/21/2003 5:02:31 PM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: Becki
"Ours"?

Is "ours" strictly limited to your definition?

Can you explain the significance of three out of Ten Commandments being called the foundation of our law?


27 posted on 08/21/2003 5:04:51 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: CtPoliticsGuy
Thanks for posting this. It makes so much sense! Too bad Tyrants don't like things that make sense.
28 posted on 08/21/2003 5:10:29 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: strela
dennisw: Except that it's 100% lawful.
strela: The courts say no.

Even if this was true, I have to wonder about people who do what the courts tell them to. At one point, the courts said enslaving another person was lawful.
29 posted on 08/21/2003 5:11:31 PM PDT by daughterofTGSL
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To: Becki
The Judge was on the radio yesterday, he mentioned that Alabama's constitution specifically references "God" in the formation of their state laws. Is the Alabama constitution unconstitutional?
30 posted on 08/21/2003 5:14:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Becki; Robert_Paulson2; Byron_the_Aussie
Our system of laws is based on British Common Laws, here's Jefferson on the subject:

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law, or lex non scripta, and commences that of the statute law, or Lex Scripta. This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. If it ever was adopted, therefore, into the common law, it must have been between the introduction of Christianity and the date of the Magna Charta. But of the laws of this period we have a tolerable collection by Lambard and Wilkins, probably not perfect, but neither very defective; and if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." -- Thomas Jefferson

31 posted on 08/21/2003 5:16:38 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: longtermmemmory
It does not define God as being the God of Judeo-Christian beliefs.
32 posted on 08/21/2003 5:17:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: Becki
"Can they explain the significance of these displays to our system of law?"

One of the displays was a tribute to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and his civil rights struggle...I say that's significant to our systyem of laws.

33 posted on 08/21/2003 5:19:00 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: longtermmemmory
The Judge was on the radio yesterday, he mentioned that Alabama's constitution specifically references "God" in the formation of their state laws. Is the Alabama constitution unconstitutional?

It would seem so, according to the current interpretation of the "Living Constituion". Of course, someone else may interprate it to mean something else on another day.

If they can overthrow Texas law, as they have recently done, they can do the same thing in Alabama, and anywhere else.

The line in the sand now is between a Republic and an Oligarchy. And from what I have been reading over the past few days, there are precious few who would be alarmed at this prospect.

Becki

34 posted on 08/21/2003 5:19:12 PM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Is the Alabama constitution unconstitutional?

According to this description of the 11th Circuit Court's decision it would be if you displayed it on public property.

"A U.S. district court under Judge Myron Thompson ruled against Chief Justice Moore on Nov. 18, 2002. On July 1, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also ruled against Chief Justice Moore, saying displays on government property cannot promote or be affiliated with a religion."

35 posted on 08/21/2003 5:19:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the Supreme Court. - Impeach Activist Judges!)
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To: CtPoliticsGuy
I like Justice Moore. The man is a true hero. God bless him in his fight against the PC Marxists.
36 posted on 08/21/2003 5:21:39 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: TigersEye; All
FYI for everyone:

This is the alabama preamble:

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/CA-245529.htm

PREAMBLE
We, the people of the State of Alabama, in order to establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution and form of government for the State of Alabama:
37 posted on 08/21/2003 5:23:40 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
You might like this post of mine here.
38 posted on 08/21/2003 5:26:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the Supreme Court. - Impeach Activist Judges!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law, or lex non scripta, and commences that of the statute law, or Lex Scripta.

"This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686.

"Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. If it ever was adopted, therefore, into the common law, it must have been between the introduction of Christianity and the date of the Magna Charta.

"But of the laws of this period we have a tolerable collection by Lambard and Wilkins, probably not perfect, but neither very defective; and if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents.

"These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

-- Thomas Jefferson


Clearly luis...

Tj was a blasphemer... but then again, so was galileo... as are all who dare to point religion to the back seat when it arises to try and take over our govenance, thoughts, reason and beliefs by the power of government and laws.

in other words, religionists LIE to try and get our foundation rewritten as "solely christian" when in fact it is not.

If the liberals learned to rewrite history, it appears they learned it from us...

39 posted on 08/21/2003 5:26:11 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (If we just erect a big, expensive stone monument... everything will be alright!)
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To: CtPoliticsGuy
Judge Moore is grandstanding. However, don't the able people of the sovereign state of Alabama have the necessary wherewithall to decide for themselved what sort of ornaments they want to put in their state and municipal buildings? Do they really need federal advice on matters of decor?

I am pleased that this is the most pressing issue for at least one of our federal judges and he has nothing more important to worry about.

40 posted on 08/21/2003 5:26:12 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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