The TEN COMMANDMENTS - Who Wants Them Gone The Most (And Why)

[Happy2BMe]

TEN COMMANDMENTS

I. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. III. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. IV. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. V. Honour thy father and thy mother.

VI. Thou shalt not kill. VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery. VIII. Thou shalt not steal. IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Are the Ten Commandments still relevant?

In American Society, who most would desire to see them eradicated from public view?

#1: The U.S.S.C.

#2: Every State Supreme Court.

#3: Every public polititian.

#4: The Democratic Party.

#5: All othe major political parties.

#6: Murderers.

#7: Thieves, extortionists, Labor Union Chiefs, every CEO of the Fortune 500.

#8: The NEA, NAACP, AFLCIO

#9: Homosexuals, lesbians, pedophiles, pornographers, web hosts, Hollywood, National Foundation of The Arts.

Add a few more . . .

[MinuteGal]

One of the major perps is the ACLU. It works ceaselessly and stealthily to establish atheism as the state religion of this nation.

Leni

[freeeee]

For you and freee, there can be but one answer: REMOVE GOD FROM AMERICA!

I don't know where you get the idea that I want religion removed from America.

I want government to be impartial and neutral regarding religion. Government by nature involves the threat of or use of force, therefore intertwining it with religion dangerous. Government should be very small and only concern itself with protecting the rights of citizens.

The vast majority of the rest of America, not being the government, should have the absolute right to practice the religion of their choice, whenever and however they like, so long as they do not violate the rights of others.

you can kill Christians, outlaw prayer, outlaw the Bible, outlaw the preaching of the Gospel, single out those who publicly speak out against your wicked ways

What an outrageous assertion! I would never do anything of the sort. Have you gone mad?

Which precepts of the Ten Commandments should be LAW in America? ALL OF THEM!

You know this is really funny. You accuse me of wanting to kill Christians, outlaw the bible, etc... Then in the very same post you say you want to enforce all of the Commandments. This of course includes the 1st Commandment. So all Americans who practice other religions and those who have no religion would be criminals, and outlawed. Did it occur to you that this is raw, rank HYPOCRISY?

You're the one hostile to religious freedom.

[freeeee]

The weak atheist lacks belief in God(s). That is what I consider myself.

So you know there is a God?

No, I lack belief in God. That means I doubt there is such a thing.

[Protagoras]

Oh - could have fooled many, many people.

Not too many. In fact morons like you who jump to conclusions because of your bizarre beliefs would be some of the few.

[Protagoras]

Times, dates, names and places.

This post, I'll refreash your memory. Aren't teenagers like you a little young to have alzheimers?

Which precepts of the Ten Commandments should be LAW in America?

ALL OF THEM!

156 posted on 08/24/2003 8:32 AM CDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)

There ya are Mr. Muslim, times, dates, names, and places.

[Protagoras]

There is to be not state religion. See the first amnedment.

And atheism isn't a religion. Despite your assertion.

[MinuteGal]

Re: My post #201.....surely you've been around here long enough to recognize a wry or satirical comment posted, LOL.

Leni

[Protagoras]

Hard to tell sometimes. Particularly when it is an commonly held subject around here.

[Happy2BMe]

The Need for a Standard 

The Ten Commandments monument in Alabama has been removed from public view. Is this a drastic step, signaling a new attitude against religion? No, but it is a symptom, an outward revelation of critical changes in the moral fabric of this country. There is a growing rage against anything that would define what is right and what is wrong. A new standard is emerging, one designed to be a weathervane that shifts with every wind instead of a compass which always points a true direction.

The Ten Commandments define man's relationship to both God and to his fellowman. It provides a moral standard, a definition of right and wrong that enables men to live at peace with one another. It establishes property and personal rights and provides boundaries to ensure that one person's rights do not trample the rights of another. Our system of laws and implementation of justice was modeled after this standard. There are laws which directly correspond to most of these commandments; many of which are still in place today. For this reason, representation of this model can be found in courthouses across the land, all the way to imagery of Moses holding the stone tablets both outside and inside the U.S. Supreme Court. These images and sculptures are not religious symbols or shrines, but rather acknowledgements of their contribution to this country's basis for justice and rights.

An early observer of our country, Alexis de Tocqueville, once said:

  I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless forests, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world commerce, and it was not there; in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution, and it was not there.
  Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.(1)

The moral standards continue to fall, and the result is not beneficial to this land. No one can argue that the high promiscuity in the youth of this country is beneficial. Modern society provides countless examples of people who place themselves above others, be it road-rage on the highway or impatience in the grocery counter line. Theft, murder and rape have increased as moral foundations continue to crumble. Even the State Department cannot discern any moral difference between Israel and Palestine. The former is condemned for taking out militants bent on destroying her people while the latter bombs innocent civilians and celebrates their death.

There is still hope, and there always will be. There continue to be many examples of good in this country. Earlier this week, we had a major blackout in the northeast, yet cases of rioting and civil disorder were few and far between. U.S. soldiers in Iraq carried out a war where they took extraordinary measures to reduce civilian casualties, even when doing so increased the risk to their own lives. There are teachers and coaches who mentor and train and mold the kids under their care. There are neighbors who keep an eye out each other and volunteers who sacrifice their precious time to serve others.

Jesus once said "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you."(2) This religious statement has value to men and women with faith and without. A person living according to this standard benefits not only themselves, but also those around them. This is the attitude of the great America of the past, and prayerfully of the great America of the future.

[Happy2BMe]

"And atheism isn't a religion."

If atheism does not practice nor teach in the existence or worship God, then WHOM do atheists believe in and worship?

Answer > > > Atheists believe in and worship THEMSELVES.

[RinaseaofDs]

OK, lets be clearer.

The establishment clause only talks about Congress making no law that promotes one religion over another.

From that basis, let's take a new look at all of it.

Let's also consider the context Jefferson wrote that in, "It neither breaks my back, nor picks my pocket what another man believes." Not bad conditions overall - don't make me contribute to your state religion, and your religion better not physically affect me in any way.

NOW let's have a debate. No amendment has been turned upside down in its meaning and context like the first amendment.

[nobdysfool]

While The Constitution specifically prohibits, the establishment of any particualr religion as the "state religion", the Framers, the Founding Fathers, and the signers of the Declaration of Independence were NOT Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, or Taoists. The Constitution was underscored by a belief in Christianity, the Founding Fathers were almost to a man Christians, and this country was settled by Christians who came here to escape religious persecution. Now, 227 years later, it is the Christians who are again the ones being persecuted, and forced by the government to subborn their beliefs to the will of the State. Doesn't that seem just a bit ironic to you?

[Happy2BMe]

"No, I lack belief in God. That means I doubt there is such a thing."

You dear sir, by professing atheism, would not have been permitted to have signed the Second greatest document in the history of mankind: The Declaration of Independence. Had you lived during the formulation of that document, been the most eloquent of all speakers, the most genius of all minds, your name would have never appeared on The Declaration of Independence.

However, your atheism in no manner prevents you from enjoying the entitlements that Almighty God has bestowed on America through the faithfulness of those that do believe in and acknowledge Him as the Giver of Life.

[BSunday]

#4: The Democratic Party.

What do the Dems have to do with Saturdays?

[freeeee]

"It neither breaks my back, nor picks my pocket what another man believes." Not bad conditions overall - don't make me contribute to your state religion, and your religion better not physically affect me in any way.

That's where I stand. I prefer the government remain neutral in regard to religion, neither promoting it nor hindering it in any way.

[BSunday]

Without the 10 Commandments, lawyers will be the "rulers".

How supremely ironic! Back in Jesus' day, the lawyers pretty much were the rulers, or at least part of the Jewish ruling class. As I said it before, so say I again, the Ten Commandments are of no effect if you are a Christian.

[Protagoras]

You really don't think I am going to read all the cut and paste stuff do you? You need to seek help for your mental condition.

[freeeee]

You dear sir, by professing atheism, would not have been permitted to have signed the Second greatest document in the history of mankind

I was unaware there was a religious test for signing the DOI.

Free men of all sorts gave their all to win our independence. They all deserve our respect.

[Happy2BMe]

"Free men of all sorts gave their all to win our independence."

The one binding bond that kept the American Revolution alive was the drive to be liberated from England's religious bondages.

I give you this opening to demonstrat that religious freedom (not the freedom from religion)) was the driving force behind the Revolution.

And all of the benefits that came with freedom of religion followed.

Never were the Ten Commandments, The Bible, or confidence and faith that Almighty God had led these people to America in question - never.

[RinaseaofDs]

That's the point. It isn't and never has been neutral. Maryland was named for Mary, the Mother of God. There is so many references to God in the Gettysburg address that I'm surprised that the Lincoln memorial is still open.

Our founding documents state that 'Our Creator has endowed each of us with unalienable rights . . .'

The establishment clause was there to prevent another Church of England, not to eradicate the free expression of religious belief in governance.

Furthermore, the Constitution prohibited Congress from making any laws establishing churches, not the states. Alabama could turn its courthouse into a synogogue, and nothing in the constitution should mitigate their doing so.

This is why Jefferson so freely referenced God and Jeffersons beliefs in writing our fundamental documents.

We don't feel the same way.