Posted on 08/21/2003 12:27:25 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
| I. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. III. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. IV. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. V. Honour thy father and thy mother. |
VI. Thou shalt not kill. VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery. VIII. Thou shalt not steal. IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. |
Are the Ten Commandments still relevant?
In American Society, who most would desire to see them eradicated from public view?
#1: The U.S.S.C.
#2: Every State Supreme Court.
#3: Every public polititian.
#4: The Democratic Party.
#5: All othe major political parties.
#6: Murderers.
#7: Thieves, extortionists, Labor Union Chiefs, every CEO of the Fortune 500.
#8: The NEA, NAACP, AFLCIO
#9: Homosexuals, lesbians, pedophiles, pornographers, web hosts, Hollywood, National Foundation of The Arts.
Add a few more . . .
I believe our President is a genuously religious person, as is our Attorney General.
And W violated the 1st Amendment with CFR. He's going to violate the 2nd when he renews the AWB.
And Ashcroft isn't letting God scare him away from the 4th and 5th Amendments.
Your theory doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Heheh... not yet - don't tempt me!
There are three kinds of people in this world:
Those who believe in God and fear Him.
Those who don't believe in God (and could care less).
And those who not only believe in God, but know Him as their dearest friend.
Of all the people I have known in my life, those who know God as their dearest friend are always the most content.
Now, what were you saying?
I can't speak for freee. I'll just reply for me.
You want the Ten Commandments removed from public buildings.
As in the frieze of Moses with the Ten Commandments on the wall of the Supreme Court building? Not particularly. As in the monument erected by Judge Moore in the middle of the court building? Where the judge is claiming he gets his court authority from God? Absolutely.
Your detest the Ten Commandments being posted in public buildings.
No, I detest judges who claim supernatural authority for the powers delegated to them by the people. I detest government officials who use their positions to advance their religious views - including atheistic views. Religious people certainly are entitled to hold public office or jobs, obviously. But using their office or job to propound on religion is immoral.
For example: John Ashcroft or President Bush praying privately, or inviting employees to before or after work prayer meetings, is perfectly fine with me. John Ashcroft or President Bush seeking converts, in their official capacity, using official facilities, is not fine with me at all.
Further, you detest not only them removed, but you are galled by even the thought of someone working inside those public buildings to have such audacity to post such hogwash in public view - let alone try and enforce such rubbish. Right?
Wrong. No one has said the Ten Commandments were hogwash or rubbish. You are the one using those words, not me. And of course I expect our legal system to enforce the law. But the first four commandments are properly the relationship between the individual and God. That is not a fit subject for law. The fifth is the relationship between the individual and his/her parents. I think it's the proper and natural thing to do, but I've seen cases where it would be very unnatural - like child abusers. The tenth commandment is more designed to keep the individual happy - coveting (jealously wanting) your neighbor's property/life is bad for you and bad for your relations with your neighbor. But criminalizing jealous thoughts is rather silly, don't you think?
Commandments six through nine are prohibitions against actions that clearly violate another's rights, and are thus very much the proper subject of law.
Does that help?
Confusion? Who is the author of confusion?
It's very difficult to have a conversation with you.
I have to be going, very nice to have spoken with all of you.
I will answer further posts to me tomorrow.
Have a nice night.
I'll get back later - you make some good points.
H2BMe
I R A "HE"
Probably.
But I think that is a good idea. If the citizens of that state get T-shirts made and just go sit in the court room or just visit the rotundra every day what could the law do about that?
For the First 10 Amendments, see the Bill of Rights
The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another state, or by citizens or subjects of any foreign state.
The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.
When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.
This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.
Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.
Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
Section 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.
Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission.
Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.
Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.
Section 1. The District constituting the seat of government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct:
A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a state, but in no event more than the least populous state; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the states, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a state; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
No law varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives shall take effect until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
So have you ever protested any state university that paid the salary of a professor who tells his students that there is no god? There's got to be at least one or two such professors at every state university.
I'm not confused - okay!"
Thanks for clearing that up.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
promote = To raise to a more important or responsible job or rank.;To advance to the next higher grade ; To contribute to the progress or growth of; further ; To urge the adoption of; advocate ; To attempt to sell or popularize by advertising or publicity ; To help establish or organize.
Congress = The national legislative body of the United States, consisting of the Senate and the House of Representatives.
Shall = Something that will take place or exist in the future ;Something, such as an order, promise, requirement, or obligation ;The will to do something or have something take place
Make =To cause to exist or happen; bring about; create ; To bring into existence by shaping, modifying, or putting together material; construct ; To form by assembling individuals or constituents ; To change from one form or function to another
no =Used to express refusal, denial, disbelief, emphasis, or disagreement ; Not at all; not by any degree.
Law =A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority. A code of principles based on morality, conscience, or nature.
respecting = To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem.
an = This word is properly an adjective, but is commonly called the indefinite article. It is used before nouns of the singular number only, and signifies one, or any, but somewhat less emphatically.
establishment = The act of establishing. The condition or fact of being established. Something established, as:
An arranged order or system, especially a legal code.
A permanent civil, political, or military organization.
An established church.
A place of residence or business with its possessions and staff. A public or private institution, such as a hospital or school. often Establishment An established social order, as:
A group of people holding most of the power and influence in a government or society. Often used with the.
A controlling group in a given field of activity. Often used with the. That which is established; as: (a) A form of government, civil or ecclesiastical; especially, a system of religion maintained by the civil power; as, the Episcopal establishment of England. (b) A permanent civil, military, or commercial, force or organization. (c) The place in which one is permanently fixed for residence or business; residence, including grounds, furniture, equipage, etc.; with which one is fitted out; also, any office or place of business, with its fixtures; that which serves for the carrying on of a business; as, to keep up a large establishment; a manufacturing establishment.
of = Associated with or adhering to.
religion = Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. The life or condition of a person in a religious order. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. It was there before we were
It was there before the government was[But our government was established around it]
Its not being advertised !
Its not being sold !
Its not being established ! [It already was !]
You can't advance it to a higher grade [Its already to the highest grade it can be unless you think your better than God!]
No one stands in front of it and and advocates or pushes you to adopt it !
Its already Popular and its already organized in many fashions and sects just choose one!
No this is clearly an attack on God and religion as well as free speech
The first amendment was created so that govenment in its [so called ] infinant wisdom does not create its own religion and force you to follow it!
Its plain and simple but for some reason organizations that are supposed to be for civil rights like the A.C.L.U. and others want God out of EVERYTHING including the basic establisment of our countrys own founding fathers basic rules for keeping this country free.
Answer: Those who hate God and His Word or are running from Him. (And Why?) The Commandments convict them of their own personal sin! They do not want to be confronted with that fact.
Yes, I wonder where these judges think that morality came from?
No, you are going wherever it is they send people who dance around questions without answering them. Those people answer other questions which they make up in their own minds so they can pretend they answered the question which was actually asked.
I'll refresh your memory. The question was; Which of the commandments would you have government enforce?
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