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IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]
The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 08/21/2003 9:44:06 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer

Veteran IBM-watchers know how testing it is to read one of the company's financial statements. In the early days of the cold war, Churchill described the Soviet Union as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". But compared to earnings releases from companies such as Apple and Sun - who provide terse and lucid declarations - you can be forgiven for thinking of IBM's announcements as a cloud wrapped in a fog containing a temporary heat-haze.

However, this much is clear: IBM has shed 15,000 jobs in the past quarter: 1400 from the microelectronics division and a staggering "14,213 Global Services personnel" in response to "the recent decline in corporate spending on technology-related services". To balance the books, IBM also bunged its recent acquisition, PwC, by almost $400 million.

In an SEC filing posted last week, IBM maintained that demand was strong. So strong, it had to conduct a private pogrom in its own services division. Clearly, something doesn't add up - even by IBM's own admission.

Perhaps an email from a soon-to-be redundant HP employee to The Register sheds some light on the situation. HP announced earnings this week that fell below expectations and added that it would make 1,300 "unexpected" human sacrifices to cover the shortfall. In contrast to previous "sheddings" of fluff in the "labor market", the middle class now feels the pain.

"Sorry but I'm due in early Sunday to train my replacement in Bangalore," the (almost) ex-HPer explained. "It's because of the time difference."

Offshore drilling

Hidden beneath the already hard-to-find news of job cuts is a massive transfer of IT resources to India and China. While only a few years ago we were promised a "Long Boom" of infinite prosperity, by "gurus" such as Wired executive Kevin Kelly, it now appears that every tech job can be cut or outsourced with impunity. Kelly is never happier, by his own admission, than when he's lying down in Pacifica dreaming of insects.

For the rest of us, needs are rather more pressing.

Not to appear to be picking on IBM or HP in particular, there doesn't seem to be a tech job left that's safe.

This has yet to emerge as an election issue, although it represents an assault on middle class expectations that's unparalleled in peacetime. But it is important and needs some context.

As the world's largest democracy, and with a philosophical and scientific tradition that (outside the Muslim world) is second to none, India has every reason to look upon the recent occidental outbreak of what we call "capitalism" as a temporary aberration.

It's worth nothing that in common with his fellow Victorian political economists, Marx found the oriental model so strange that he excluded it from his theories entirely.

But outbreaks of tech independence abound. The People's Republic of China has shown both a cavalier disregard for Western IP (aka "intellectual property") and boasts a proud confidence that its own homegrown talent can transform a pay-for "IP" import into an indigenous social resource. [See Trade Wars II: China shuns Qualcomm - no CDMA tax! - EU frets over China's 3G plan and Motorola gambles big on Linux, Sinocapitalism for more details].

Given China's astonishing historical legacy of engineering excellence, this is far from foolish. Dammit, weren't our kids supposed to bring home the bacon?

On this side of the Gulf, we're sure to hear cries of anguish, as the parents of expensively educated middle-class kids learn that their investment (and, in the US, this can be upwards of $120,000 per child) has gone offshore.

Which brings us to a particularly anxious conundrum. The prosperity that we felt was assured, and by rights, ours in the West no longer belongs to us. Those college dollars look like a poor investment, when a cleverer Indian can perform the same task for a tenth of the salary. So why did we spend all that money? Who, at what point, added enough "value" to justify the investment?

It's a good question. In a historical perspective the Indian, Muslim and Chinese engineers whose forefathers created so much of this intellectual infastructure are only reaping their due rewards. For Western kids, however, this does seem a bum deal. "Weren't we supposed to be clever[-er] than everyone else?" a recent graduate asked me recently. Well, er, actually no.

Smarts is as smarts gets.

Forget your O'Reilly PERL course, and follow the money. A course in Mandarin or Arabic is probably the shrewdest investment a parent can make right now.

Go west, my son... and then keep going

The inexorable logic of digital capitalism has rewarded companies such as Dell, which add no value, and pare costs to the bone, and ruthlessly punished systems companies such as Sun and Apple, which invest in R&D. For reasons best known to themselves, these companies invest in the hard stuff that can't easily be commoditised. Logic suggests that such companies are the bulwark against copy-cat Oriental opportunism.

While you might think much of the above is facetious, the West faces a very real problem: we have a surfeit of well educated kids who, if we accept the orthodoxies of asset-stripping capitalism, simply can't compete with foreign competitors without tilting the playing field.

When capitalism went digital, the first casualties were manual laborers. Now that skilled engineering jobs are being transferred offshore, the middle class is in the firing line, and this poses a very real crisis for a large and not-entirely unimportant section of society. Go to college, learn tech skills and - oops, sorry - you're job has just gone offshore. Please accept this redundancy slip and some small token that your worthless (hard-earned) contribution has enriched the global economy. Or as the creepier types insist, the global "eco-system".

Technology once promised us vistas of endless prosperity, and saw itself aloof from the obligations of political economy or globalisation. Now these pigeons are coming home to roost, and "technology" is more of a liability than it is a blessing.

It's dry, academic stuff to be sure. But when jobs are being lost on such an extraordinary scale, scarcely reported, is there a politician bold enough even to raise the issue?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: hp; ibm; outsourcing
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To: Texas_Dawg
You mean, we're not all doomed??? You's one a them, ain't ya?!?

I can't stand all these gloom-and-doomer anti-free-trade people!

201 posted on 08/21/2003 11:25:11 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
after-tax income from 1960-2002

Need to account for inflation. And from what I've heard about how inflation is calculated its not that easy to accept the government's number. It sounds like if your $100 part from yesterday costs $102 today that's a 2% inflation. However if you get 5% more use out of it then its really a -3% inflation. So who knows I think is better when comparing numbers over a long period of time.
202 posted on 08/21/2003 11:25:45 AM PDT by lelio
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To: theDentist
Well, let's see if I can put my degrees and experience to work in another field...

"Do you want to biggie size that?"


Oh man! You think small. Come on, why don't you try to win the lottery or become a rap star? (/sarcasm)

All I can say is I'm with ya, dude.
203 posted on 08/21/2003 11:26:25 AM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: dfwgator
True Dat, what do I need $50 playstation games and $20 bulk costco oxyclean for anyway!
204 posted on 08/21/2003 11:26:52 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: warchild9
Mr. troll, government statistics are the biggest lies in the world. The CPI is manipulated to maintain a certain level in pensions and benefits, and I was talking about taxes at all levels, including hidden taxes and fees.

Haha. So where are your stats? Where did you get that 2.5 times or 6 times number? Art Bell?

205 posted on 08/21/2003 11:26:57 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Lazamataz
"(I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)"

OK Laz, my free trade policy is that YOU trade all YOUR stuff to me for free!

206 posted on 08/21/2003 11:27:19 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
Thank Bush..he just outsourced many jobs to India.
Isn't it just awful!
Funny, the other place where the interests of Americans was important was the US until WW1. Those pinko commie Founding Fathers. George Washington was Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao rolled into one. [/free traitors]
207 posted on 08/21/2003 11:27:25 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Willie Green for President...)
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To: Tokhtamish
There is no reason to believe that we can retain the "more interesting stuff".

You're right! Everything is going to go offshore!

208 posted on 08/21/2003 11:27:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: holdmuhbeer
Actually, my company is requiring a college degree for jobs which could be one by anyone with a high school education. Diploma creep is bad sign.
209 posted on 08/21/2003 11:27:33 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Mad Dawgg
OK Laz, my free trade policy is that YOU trade all YOUR stuff to me for free!

YEAH! How come I won't send my stuff to ya?!! Am I one of those GREEDY REPUBLICANS???

210 posted on 08/21/2003 11:28:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
The economics department at Duke University. A friend of mine is an Associate Professor in economics there.
211 posted on 08/21/2003 11:28:57 AM PDT by warchild9
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"I fear for geniuses like us, who have went to the best tier 1 schools, have the highest SAT scores, have doctoral degrees, made a killing in the 90's..."

"We are the ones who deserve the most sympathy. The tech sector was supposed to guarantee our success for generations. Now the govt must save us..."

Nothing is guaranteed. Get over yourselves. This thread has a red tinge.
212 posted on 08/21/2003 11:29:03 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
This thread is pointing out that white collar people tend to be conservative, and they're getting screwed by their boy in Washington. It was okay when blue collar workers, who tend to be Democrats, were losing their jobs.
213 posted on 08/21/2003 11:30:39 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Lazamataz
The problem is and the trend is, everyone who wants, competes for our markets but they don't open their markets to us. We are the only ones being open here.
...
You bet! Why don't people see that???


Open there markets too ... what? 900M Chinese that are living in poverty? They aren't going to start buying our stuff anytime soon.
And, besides, wouldn't the Chinese government get wind of this and fund their own local company to make the goods? They're looking out for their own countrymen and see that its better for them to make their own stuff than have someone else do it.
214 posted on 08/21/2003 11:30:46 AM PDT by lelio
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To: lelio
Need to account for inflation. And from what I've heard about how inflation is calculated its not that easy to accept the government's number. It sounds like if your $100 part from yesterday costs $102 today that's a 2% inflation. However if you get 5% more use out of it then its really a -3% inflation. So who knows I think is better when comparing numbers over a long period of time.

In order to get to the initial claim of our being 2.5x worse off now than in 1960, per capita income wise, you would need to prove that inflation has increased 3,250%! (A simple 1,300% increase in inflation would have us breaking even.) That is absolutely insane. But hey, this is FR, so be my guest.

215 posted on 08/21/2003 11:31:27 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: lelio
Open there markets too ... what? 900M Chinese that are living in poverty? They aren't going to start buying our stuff anytime soon.

Right! We've got to correct that! These Free Traitors don't seem to see anything right....

216 posted on 08/21/2003 11:32:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: Lazamataz; Texas_Dawg
"Am I one of those GREEDY REPUBLICANS???"

AH HAH! BUSTED! I knew it I knew it I knew it!

Out with you foul beast, this here thread is for all those closet socialists to commiserate on!

You are p!$$in all over these poor folks pity party and they don't appreciate it!

(That goes for you as well, Texas Dawg)

217 posted on 08/21/2003 11:32:36 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
This thread has a red tinge.

And that would make it differ from most FR economics-related threads, how?

218 posted on 08/21/2003 11:32:49 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Tokhtamish
I don't see people shifting to .NET.

I'm using it for an offboard navigation system in the voice recognition subsystem, the XML interfaces to the geospatial database and the web services that I use to interface to external customers. The code that runs the Dialogic cards is running in mixed mode with win32 + managed C++.

On a different contract, I'm using .Net to build a port GUI that runs on my desktop and also on a PocketPC 2003 with 802.11b wireless for remote monitoring and control.

It seems you just aren't in the whirlwind.

219 posted on 08/21/2003 11:33:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: CJ Wolf
How positively virtuous.

Reminds me of the line, "Let them eat cake" -- Catherine the Great of Russia

220 posted on 08/21/2003 11:33:20 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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