Posted on 08/21/2003 8:33:17 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
MONTGOMERY, Ala.
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ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School
DES MOINES--The Iowa Civil Liberties Union today announced that it is publicly supporting the Christian students who recently filed a lawsuit against the Davenport Schools asserting the right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.
“The school's policy against the distribution of religious literature outside of class is clearly wrong,” said Ben Stone, Executive Director of the ICLU. “Not only does the policy violate the students' right to freely exercise their religious beliefs, but it also infringes on their free speech rights," he said.
The case, brought by Davenport students Sasha and Jaron Dean and Becky Swope, was filed in federal court on May 31, 2002. The ICLU said it plans to file a "friend-of the-court" brief in support of the Christian students.
According to the ICLU, the literature ban could be an example of poorly informed school officials acting out of ignorance. "Once in a while, we hear of schools taking away a kid's Bible at school or not letting students say grace before lunch,” Stone said. “Such restrictions are dead wrong, and are usually stopped rather quickly once the school receives some instruction on constitutional law. Let's hope the Davenport schools change their policy without further litigation,” said Stone.
Do you live in Alabama?
You could go to jail for talking like that!
Even the Isaelites didn't didplay the Commandments. They carried around the broken pieces in The Ark of the Covenant. Heck, it was built to carry them, hence its name. It's amazing sometimes how little knowledge many professing Christians have of the Bible.
Evangelical Christians arrested on Mormon plaza By The Associated Press 04.09.02
SALT LAKE CITY — Two protesters have been arrested on the Mormon church's Main Street Plaza, the first trespassing arrests on the site since the city sold the land to the church and prompted a free-speech lawsuit.
Kurt Van Gorden, 48, and Melvin Heath, 46, were arrested April 7 for trespassing. Three other protesters received citations. The group had been distributing evangelical Christian literature during the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' semiannual General Conference. Members of the group twice refused to leave the plaza before they were arrested, said Salt Lake Police Sgt. Fred Louis.
"Arrests were made Sunday afternoon on the West Church Plaza that demonstrate why it is critical to the church to retain private property rights to prevent protests on its grounds," said church spokesman Dale Bills.
He said the two men were disruptive and intrusive and had ignored repeated requests to respect the church's property.
Stephen Clark, the American Civil Liberties Union's legal director for Utah, saw it differently. "They were engaging in core free-speech activities," Clark said. Last month, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver heard arguments in a dispute over the Mormon church's efforts to restrict behavior in the plaza. They have yet to rule on the case.
The case arose after the Mormon church imposed rules restricting protests, demonstrations and other activities on the one-block stretch of Salt Lake City's Main Street it bought from the city. The ACLU sued, arguing that the restrictions were unconstitutional because the city retains an easement across the block for pedestrian access.
The ACLU argued that the easement makes it unconstitutional for the city to allow the church to decide what behavior is offensive. The lawsuit was dismissed in U.S. District Court, and the ACLU appealed the decision to the 10th Circuit. Clark said now that the case has been dismissed by the lower court, the church feels free to control free speech on the plaza. "This is the result of a strategic plan," Clark said. "Now they feel free to implement this discriminatory practice."
The list of rules was written by city and church attorneys and approved by the City Council in April 1999. It outlawed smoking, sunbathing, bicycling and "engaging in any illegal, offensive, indecent, obscene, vulgar, lewd or disorderly speech, dress or conduct." The city sold the land to the church for $8.1 million. City leaders gave the church exclusive rights to distribute literature and broadcast speeches and music on the block.
Hold on now - I said that Moore's action wasn't unconstitutional both because there was no legislative act, and because he was not administering a law. A public school principal has a legal mandate to provide a particular service, therefore he is administering a law insofar as he's providing that service. Note that he's not only prohibited from discriminating on the basis of religious views, but on the basis of any kind of views, so there's no need to fret over some imaginary secular/religious divide, as is being done now.
If the state spends money to hand out the Koran at school, that is not unconstitutional unless there is legislation authorizing the decision.
Absolutely no more unconstitutional than handing out The Communist Manifesto or The Origin of Species.
If the a sheriff arrests me for "disturbing the peace" because I am praying on the sidewalk, that is not unconstitutional unless there is a law against praying on the sidewalk.
A sheriff has no authority to arrest you for something that doesn't violate some law.
As for your definition of "religion," you sound like Judge Moore.
I wasn't trying to define "religion"; I was simply quoting back to you the terms you quoted to me: sect, society, denomination, mode of worship. They all have pretty self-evident definitions.
Don't look now, but the largest growing religion in the United states is . . . Islam.
Support for the ACLU stems from ignorance, and this is a case in point.
While I do not advocate the elimination of religious expression in government, I do advocate the elimination of preferential religious expression in government.
Moore's problem is not pushing his faith. It is pushing it while excluding other faiths.
And around the country. "Congesss shall make no laws......"
Most people have no idea what the Constitution says. We have to tell them or remind them.
As opposed to what other version of God?
Yep, by the thought police and homosexuals crying hate speach.
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