US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Commandments

Sean Hannity Show ^ | 8-20-03 | Sean Hannity

[Atlas Sneezed]

US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Ccommandments from Alabama courthouse.

[rwfromkansas]

From: http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html

If Moore is doing something that is unconstitutional, then the usage of govt. buildings for church is as well, yet they were used for church well after the First Amendment was passed. As far as I am aware, they were only used for Christian services, not Muslim, Jewish etc.

Jefferson at Church in the Capitol "In his diary, Manasseh Cutler (1742-1823), a Federalist Congressman from Massachusetts and Congregational minister, notes that on Sunday, January 3, 1802, John Leland preached a sermon on the text "Behold a greater than Solomon is here. Jef[ferso]n was present." Thomas Jefferson attended this church service in Congress, just two days after issuing the Danbury Baptist letter. Leland, a celebrated Baptist minister, had moved from Orange County, Virginia, and was serving a congregation in Cheshire, Massachusetts, from which he had delivered to Jefferson a gift of a "mammoth cheese," weighing 1235 pounds." Journal entry, January 3, 1802

Jefferson and Family at Church "In this letter Manasseh Cutler informs Joseph Torrey that Thomas Jefferson "and his family have constantly attended public worship in the Hall" of the House of Representatives. Manuscript letter"

Madison Seen at House Church Service Abijah Bigelow, a Federalist congressman from Massachusetts, describes President James Madison at a church service in the House on December 27, 1812, as well as an incident that had occurred when Jefferson was in attendance some years earlier.

The Old House of Representatives Church services were held in what is now called Statuary Hall from 1807 to 1857. The first services in the Capitol, held when the government moved to Washington in the fall of 1800, were conducted in the "hall" of the House in the north wing of the building. In 1801 the House moved to temporary quarters in the south wing, called the "Oven," which it vacated in 1804, returning to the north wing for three years. Services were conducted in the House until after the Civil War. The Speaker's podium was used as the preacher's pulpit.

Communion Service in the Treasury Building Manasseh Cutler here describes a four-hour communion service in the Treasury Building, conducted by a Presbyterian minister, the Reverend James Laurie: "Attended worship at the Treasury. Mr. Laurie alone. Sacrament. Full assembly. Three tables; service very solemn; nearly four hours." Journal entry, December 23, 1804

The Old Supreme Court Chamber Description of church services in the Supreme Court chamber by Manasseh Cutler (1804) and John Quincy Adams (1806) indicate that services were held in the Court soon after the government moved to Washington in 1800.

Description of church services in the capitol building:

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

You have it nailed. Squarely on the head. I'll put that pic in wall paper and save the image's address. I'll top my profile with it tomorrow morning. Good job!

[Labyrinthos]

So, as a lawyer, when your client is sworn in to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth....who does he swear to, the judge or God?

Depends upon the client and the judge. In all series, in my state, a witness doesn't have to "swear to God,' if he or she so chooses. The option is to use a more general affirmation that reminds witnesses that the failure to tell the truth while under oath constitutes the crime or something like that.

Another difference is that the oath doesn't require a person to swear to any particular god, leaving the door open for the witness to swear to any good he chooses. Suppose Judge Moore changed the oath, by administrative rule, so that it starts "In the name of our Lord Jesus, do you swear..."

[Sangamon Kid]

He can do that all day long in his personal life.
He cannot do it in his capacity as a State officer.

When Christians were brought before their enemies to confess Christ or Caesar, it was done in the public square. Private belief without public confession is worthless. On this point lies the difference between the Gospel of Christ and your interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.

[mysonsfuture]

Its already broken. Judge Moore is trying to fix it!

[Kieri]

-If Christianity had its way, we would have a flat earth, not bathe, and not cure diseases because its playing God.

I'm not so sure Galileo, Einstein or Newton would agree with you.

[Southack]

"Clinton did not defy the Federal courts, if I recall. Please refresh my memory if I'm wrong."

On the contrary, Clinton did indeed defy the U.S. Supreme Court, although you can be forgiven for not knowing about it because our entire corrupt media conspired to spike the story.

In particular, President Clinton wrote an Executive Order forbidding the Department of Justice from enforcing the 1989 Beck decision, by which the SCOTUS ordered unions to refund the dues to any members who had ideological objections to the political ads financed by unions.

[Dog Gone]

Those are two separate issues. Where the courts, federal or state, begin legislating from the bench we're all in agreement. That must stop.

The other issue is whether court orders must be obeyed. Saying no opens Pandora's Box. We don't want to go there.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Post 541 is top notch! Way to go! It's just mop-up time now. Thank you. FReegards....

[Labyrinthos]

Did you mean I think like the Taliban?

YOU are the one who suggested that we execute the judges who have opinions that are different than yours.

[rwfromkansas]

This is one of the many battle flags of the American revolution with religious justification:

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"The other issue is whether court orders must be obeyed. Saying no opens Pandora's Box. We don't want to go there."

Tyranny in a republic opens a pandora's box. Respecting tyranny is submission to it.

[Labyrinthos]

People who think the Constitution has anything to do with monuments on public property are destroying the Constitution.

The issue has nothing to do with monuments. The issue is whether a judge can use his public office to promote his particular religious views.

[Labyrinthos]

1250

I'll take the over.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..the issue is whether a judge can use his public office to promote his particular religious views...

That's completely untrue.

The Alabama Constitution says their justice system is established in 'invoking the guidance of almighty God.'

[CholeraJoe]

Very simple solution. 50 volunteers move into the courthouse with gas masks, body armor, water, MRE's, chainsaws and extra fuel. They surround the monument and chain themselves together at the waist, and each armed with a chainsaw, fend off any attempt to remove it. 20 each work shifts and the others sleep and resupply in the center of the perimeter. If an attack occurs, the point could be met with massed chainsaws.

Neither law enforcement officers nor dogs, nor tear gas could dislodge them without deadly force ala Waco.

Ashcroft is a far cry from Reno, he wouldn't permit it.

[rwfromkansas]

True and it is good to point out the many inaccuracies that can fly on these threads.

However, I will point this out, which is from the Library of Congress.

From: http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html

Proposed Seal for the United States On July 4, 1776, Congress appointed Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams "to bring in a device for a seal for the United States of America." Franklin's proposal adapted the biblical story of the parting of the Red Sea (left). Jefferson first recommended the "Children of Israel in the Wilderness, led by a Cloud by Day, and a Pillar of Fire by night. . . ." He then embraced Franklin's proposal and rewrote it (right). Jefferson's revision of Franklin's proposal was presented by the committee to Congress on August 20. Although not accepted these drafts reveal the religious temper of the Revolutionary period. Franklin and Jefferson were among the most theologically liberal of the Founders, yet they used biblical imagery for this important task.

[VRWC_minion]

historically many of the people associated with Christian faith have been a hinderance to scientific research and discovery. Look at the whole issue of stem cells.

Historically, most os the scientists are Christian

Look at the dominance of Catholicism during the DARK AGES and the lack of social or scientific breakthrough during that time. And who maintained the literature, arts and science for the world ? Hint: It was't atheists

The flat earth, the refusal of the existence of germs, and the whole four humours were all espoused by the Church. Galileo was condemned as a heretic. Am I making this stuff up?

You are mistaken about the issues regarding Galileo who by the way was a devout Christian.