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Anti-Sodomy = Hate Speech
BushCountry ^ | 08/19/03 | James Bowden

Posted on 08/19/2003 6:29:55 AM PDT by bedolido

My op eds on Buggering American Civilization and Ten Reasons to Defend Marriage earned the best hate mail. The people who disagree with my Conservatism speak from the overflow of their hearts. They can’t refrain from calling me names. None of them challenged the ideas. Their hate mail even proves my points. Thank you.

If the fundamental issues weren’t so important, it would be laughable that we even have to address this question of same-sex marriage. As George Orwell said, “We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.” So, let’s state the obvious.

Every society that ever existed - from tiny tribe to great civilization - regulated sexual behavior into the categories of honored, tolerated, and punished. Since 1607, English-speaking Americans had the Judeo-Christian moral-ethical values for what is right and wrong.

The rules were the ‘rational’ application for what is written the King James Bible. Consequently, adultery, incest, homosexuality, and bestiality were wrong. Clearly, today’s majority of Americans favor moving consensual, adult homosexual behavior from the punished to the tolerated category. No one advocates, nor do any authorities use, the power of the state as sex police to invade the privacy of the bedroom. The police do make arrests – as in NoVa (Northern Virginia) – when homosexuals use a public park to solicit and engage in sex acts. Do the liberals push public sodomy for homosexuals? Which is precisely the problem – what is punished when you throw away the Judeo-Christian standard we have always had?

When you destroy the moral-ethical standard, then you have no moral standing for the laws that make bigamy, polygamy/polyandry, incest, bestiality, obscenity, and sodomy illegal. Which means same-sex marriage is okay and a Muslim can have four wives and the Mormon out in Utah suing the government can have his fourteen ‘wives’.

You destroy a pillar of American civilization with homosexual marriage. No civilization ever – including the ones in decline with rampant homosexuality – had marriage as anything other than between man and woman. Because marriage is not about perks from the government, but it’s about creating families.

Real families. The best family has a mother and a father. Everything less – single parent families, grandparent families, foster families which are legal – can be wonderful families to provide for children, but they are always a bit less than the best possible. Homosexual/lesbian partners may have love for children, but they lack either a mother or a father. No sexual pervert pretending to be another gender can compensate. Only sissy Christians and barbarian Pagans, who reject the moral authority of the Bible, our tradition and the commonsense of history, think homosexuals/lesbians should marry and acquire children (because they can’t create them naturally).

Everything bad that has happened to families in the past forty years has been a social pathology to America. The consequences of divorce, drugs, alcohol abuse, sexual abuse, child abuse, abortion, illegitimacy, pornography, suicide are suffering, pain and death. The family is an institution that is older than America. Deconstructing the family and making it some kind of village for the village people will destroy our civilization.

In my op eds I pointed out that it won’t happen the day after Adam and Steve are married in America. But, it will happen. One email was particularly instructive on why our Civilization is in jeopardy. A lawyer educated at The University ( a.k.a. University of Virginia) and professing sissy Christian wrote that if I say - get this –

-that adultery, incest, homosexuality and bestiality are all moral wrongs, sins, as it is written in the Holy Bible, then I am guilty of ‘hate speech’ and my speech should be suppressed.

Wake up Christians and Jews! If you read what the Bible says about homosexuality in public you will be taken to court in Canada and fined. It’s already happened. The suppression of free speech is coming here – its part and parcel of liberal intolerance. The Puritans of liberal double think and the Pharisees of sissy Christians, will move step by inevitable step to become totalitarians. Your freedom of speech and religion are threatened – now.

Conservatives are happy to contend in the marketplace of ideas and at the ballot box. Liberals, make your silly arguments for exalting anal sex between men and finding fault with other perversions. Conservatives will talk about loving the sinner (our friends and relatives), rejecting the sin and protecting the family and children with the rule of law.

Finally, stating the obvious again – you are the sovereigns of the state. If you do not use your power you will lose your freedom, your rights, and your heritage. Make the Defense of Marriage Amendment happen.

James Atticus Bowden jatticus@aol.com

James A. Bowden has worked as a Defense Department consultant specializing in inter-disciplinary long range ‘futures’ studies for over a decade. He retired from the United States Army after 20 years of service as an Infantry Officer. Mr. Bowden is a 1972 graduate of the United States Military Academy and earned graduate degrees from Harvard University and Columbia University. He resides in Poquoson, VA.

08.19.03 06:58 AM


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1 posted on 08/19/2003 6:29:55 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices
Wake up Christians and Jews! If you read what the Bible says about homosexuality in public you will be taken to court in Canada and fined

#42 signed a genocide pact that makes this kind "hate speech" a fine, AND will send the reader up the river...

2 posted on 08/19/2003 6:44:00 AM PDT by Ff--150 (I believe, I receive)
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To: bedolido
that adultery, incest, homosexuality and bestiality are all moral wrongs, sins, as it is written in the Holy Bible, then I am guilty of ‘hate speech’ and my speech should be suppressed.

And if that is hate speech then claiming I am being hateful for saying it is hate speech too :)

3 posted on 08/19/2003 6:45:46 AM PDT by chance33_98 (WWJD - What would Jefferson Do?)
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To: bedolido
Anything you say against the liberal agenda is considered h@te speach

I am getting so tired of seeing the word 'h@te'


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*whew* that's better

4 posted on 08/19/2003 6:51:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (mwk_14059 on yahoo IM - why dont we have a FR chat yet Jim? (i can give you the code))
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To: Mr. K
Certain kinds of so-called acts of love=AIDS, time to wake up, before they bring more pestilence. Sodom and Gomrah
were destroyed by Gods Hand, turning into Salt is the future existence of a gay lifestyle.
Sodomy is wrong!
Ops4 God Bless America!
5 posted on 08/19/2003 6:55:39 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: bedolido
Great article. I emailed him and complimented him on it. The comments and analysis about our culture and how current trends/events are corrupting the bedrock foundation of our society by corrupting traditional marriage are great.

I personally have a hard time pushing for a constitutional amendment to state the obvious. Otherwise we will end up with a constitution that is 10,000 pages long. The fact that we even need to consider it tells us where our focus as moral people should be...and that is on educating and spreading the word...almost in a revival sense...because that is exactly what is needed. As John Adams said,

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798
We are finding that it is in fact "wholly inadequate for the government of any other".
6 posted on 08/19/2003 6:57:03 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Mr. K
*whew* that's better

The important thing is... did you end on an even number or odd? (small even/odd number phobia here)

7 posted on 08/19/2003 7:03:00 AM PDT by bedolido (None of us is as dumb as all of us!)
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To: Ff--150
They can’t refrain from calling me names. None of them challenged the ideas. Their hate mail even proves my points. Thank you.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.

(KJV) Leviticus 18:22 -'Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

It's a COMMAND - not a suggestion.

8 posted on 08/19/2003 7:13:16 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: Jeff Head
I do too, but like Orwell said, the first duty is to point out the obvious.

That's where we are at this point. Look at some of what transpired in the Episcopalian debate. You will not believe your eyes.

There is exactly zero verses in the bible condoning homosexual sex. From literally nothing, they have so tortured the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, Leviticus, Paul, and every other reference to the sinfulness of homosexual sex that we now have an openly homosexual bishop.

What is the constitution but an affirmation of truths that we hold to be self-evident? Nearly 7000 years of recorded history, and the US was the first nation to affirm those truths.

I can think of nothing more appropriate under the circumstances than to affirm the obvious, that marriage is the sacred bond between man and wife.

I am as sorry as you to see that it has come to this.
9 posted on 08/19/2003 7:14:34 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
(KJV) Leviticus 18:22 -'Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'
It's a COMMAND - not a suggestion.

Well, it's really a prohibition, but that's picking nits.

10 posted on 08/19/2003 7:28:07 AM PDT by Eala (When politicians speak of children, count the spoons. - National Review Editors)
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To: Jeff Head
Most truth is in actuality, "self evident" and does not need legislative definition to provide "loopholes". You jump off a tall building, the LAW of gravity will take you to your demise. Same goes with the commandments from the Word of God. They are not there to inhibit our joy. God (as a caring Father) has given us limits for our own protection!
11 posted on 08/19/2003 7:31:29 AM PDT by Knute
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To: Jeff Head; 4ConservativeJustices
I personally have a hard time pushing for a constitutional amendment to state the obvious. Otherwise we will end up with a constitution that is 10,000 pages long.

Agreed! As 4ConservativeJustices proclaims, all the laws we need are the Bill of Rights and the Ten Commandments.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 7:40:06 AM PDT by Ff--150 (I believe, I receive)
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To: bedolido
The Bible did predict all this, and it's amazing how truth has been stood on its head.

If one spreads the good news of Jesus Christ, he is lambasted for being an extremist. If one mentions that sin (including homosexuality) is a roadblock on the path to salvation, he is engaging in "hate-speak."

BUT... if one accommodates or enables perversion and reprobate behavior, this is somehow now construed as loving acceptance of "other people."

Scripture tells us that in the "end times", people will be racing about the face of the earth at high speed, there will be a re-unification of the Roman Empire (with one currency), and that there will be those who not only do wicked things, but that there will be many who openly applaud and encourage this wickedness.

In our country's relatively recent past, people moved at the speed of a stroll, or a horse, or a wind-blown sail. There was no European Union. There was no Euro.

When America was founded, our nation did not applaud wickedness. There was no Jerry Springer or Larry Flynt. There was no Roe v Wade, or pro-sodomy law. There was no "discussion" of same-sex "marriage."

We are a world in rapidly escalating decay, and have been since Man's Fall from Grace. What is called 'evolution" is actually rot.

Let him who has eyes see, and him who has ears hear.

13 posted on 08/19/2003 7:46:51 AM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: RinaseaofDs; Knute
RinaseaofDs, I understand what you are saying, but I am afraid that if the people do not want to see the obvious...a constitutional amendment will not help. Where will it end? Like I said, we will ultimately end up with a constitution that specifies every jot and tittle of our lives and an unbelivably inefficient bureaucracy to try and enforce it all...IOW, we will not be free.

Our society was meant to be self-governing. Moral people do not need myriad laws to govern them...they govern themselves. When we are forced to inact myriad laws to try and govern and increasingly immoral people...we end up with tyranny, chaos and violence. I hate to say it, but that is where we are headed unless we experience a moral and religious revival of major proportions.

I pray for that eventuality...and then go out and work for it by sharing convictions in a reasoned fashion with as many as I can. I pray there is enough of a remnant here in this nation that will make progress with their friends and neighbors...that will open their mouths...so that people will choose the right path themselves.

In the end, either we as a people will choose for ourselves to see the obvious moral foundations to our society...or God in Heaven will ultimately point it out to us in an unmistakable way.

Jeff

14 posted on 08/19/2003 7:57:17 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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Jeff, I actually look forward to this unmistakeable bit of communication.

A moral people indeed. I still think that the US is a moral place, but that its cities have gone the way of all great cities. You get enough people in one place, I guess.

I take your point.
15 posted on 08/19/2003 8:15:05 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Jeff Head; Ff--150
Moral people do not need myriad laws to govern them...they govern themselves. When we are forced to inact myriad laws to try and govern and increasingly immoral people...we end up with tyranny, chaos and violence. I hate to say it, but that is where we are headed unless we experience a moral and religious revival of major proportions.

Paging Alabama Chief Justice Roy S. Moore ... maybe it is the beginning.

16 posted on 08/19/2003 8:17:36 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: Eala
Well, it's really a prohibition, but that's picking nits.

;o) It's not a suggestion, but I know what you mean.

17 posted on 08/19/2003 8:19:47 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: Eala
To be more specific, here are the quotes word for word, nothing added, nothing subtracted:

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination"

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

On the nature of man's ruin beginning at Romans 1:19B:

Romans 1:26 "For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature"

Romans 1:27: Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing
what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due"

Corinthians 6:9: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites"

18 posted on 08/19/2003 8:20:02 AM PDT by poet
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To: poet
BUMP
19 posted on 08/19/2003 8:24:19 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
i think we need to have a new constitutional convention and try to work out a number of different amendments to the constitution.

1) Reaffirm that the Federal Government has no rights other than those granted to it in the constitution.
2) Remind the court that the constitution really, really means what it says -- there are no emanations and penumbras.
3) And finally, I think we need to take a good hard look at banning appointments-for-life for federal judges. THey have simply usurped too much power over the last 30 40-50 years.
20 posted on 08/19/2003 10:45:31 AM PDT by johnb838 (Liberalizm and homoizm are cults of death - no life can come from them.)
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