BOAT KIDS STUN POLICE AT JFK

NY POST ^ | 12 AUGUST 2003 | JENNIFER FERMINO and HASANI GITTENS

[csvset]

In a shocking security breach at JFK Airport, three teens wandered around an active runway - and were so under the radar that they had to turn themselves in to Port Authority cops, it was revealed yesterday.

The incident began shortly after Joel Phagoo, his kid brother and a cousin launched an inflatable raft to go fishing in Jamaica Bay near the airport, WABC-TV reported last night. When the weather turned bad, the raft drifted toward JFK.

[WestPacSailor]

True, no amount of security will help if the bad guys stand just outside the perimeter.

There are, however, systems available that can be mounted on the aircraft to counter MANPADS or even air-launched missiles. They are quite expensive so don't expect to see them until AFTER a plane is hit by a missile.

[JustAnAmerican]

"There are, however, systems available that can be mounted on the aircraft to counter MANPADS or even air-launched missiles. They are quite expensive so don't expect to see them until AFTER a plane is hit by a missile.

Saving money is more important to the CEO types that run these things(versus human lives), what they fail to understand is if it does happen, not only will they be out of a job(Airline industry will die overnight), they will have millions of Americans out to remove them from the planet they were born on.

[chuknospam]

SAM's? That's all a bunch of b/s. No one is going to get SAM's into this country and take down an aircraft. For crying out loud, the 9/11 highjackers used the cheapest weapon available, a box cutter to accomplish their goals. If these kids got on the tarmac, all they needed was a roll of quarters and they could have taken down half the planes on the runway. No I won't explain.

Sorry, I for one refuse to believe that terrorists are going to have the sophisticated weapons that all the "chicken littles" keep crying about, not even firearms. They will accomplish their goals with the simpliest of tools & the simplest of means. They will take their time, they will infiltrate & gain the trust of their friends & neighbors. They have no deadlines.

If you want to be afraid of something, be afraid of this internet mobbing craze thing. Imagine 300+ people converging on a location, like an airport or shopping mall, with intent to do harm.........

[Squantos]

Come on now.....with the TSA rent'a cops being unionized and getting kewl federal badges comes mandatory breaks and 1 hour lunches per 8 hour shift. These terrorist tots evidently weren't provided a copy of the union rules and thus a grievance will be filed and their raft deflated.

Stay Safe !

[WestPacSailor]

No one is going to get SAM's into this country and take down an aircraft

I must disagree with the above statement. Even in these "secure" times it is all too easy to get a MANPAD into this country and use it against a commerical airliner.

I do, however, strongly agree with your assessment that a roll of quarters, or a handfull of nuts and bolts, or even a box of BBs, correctly placed, could bring down an aircraft. I've seen just one loose bolt FOD out an engine and bring down a multi-million dollar fighter. I CAN happen.

[eno_]

It has probbaly happened already.

Even if you don't think TWA800 was a missile, there is the crash that killed a bunch of soldiers of the 101st in Gander.

These sand monkeys have been intent on killing us for a long time now, and their methods are there for everyone to see.

[WestPacSailor]

These sand monkeys have been intent on killing us for a long time now

I couldn't agree more. I hope Americans wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.

WE ARE AT WAR FOR OUR SURVIVAL!

It's us against them, and they cannot be allowed to win.

[Prodigal Son]

No one is going to get SAM's into this country and take down an aircraft.

Oh, it would be terribly simple for someone with money to get his hands on a missile in our country. No need to try to sneak it in.

But it would be easy to slip it in as well. How much cocaine slips past the ATF? A small fraction? Most? Practically all? The infrastructure already exists for sneaking contraband into our country. Those Colombian drug guys have all kinds of stuff. Remember when they found the submarine one of the drug lords had bought? I'm pretty sure if they wanted to get a SAM missile into the country it would be a piece of cake for them.

[snippy_about_it]

Remember, the real heroes never came home.

It's true, some gave all and we'll "Never Forget".

Our current Troops and our Veterans though still gave and deserve thanks and appreciation for their service no matter their role.

Sincerly, Thank you.

[TC Rider]

Thank God they weren't lugging around the popular .50 BMG rifle...

Not a very effective anti-aircraft weapon. Rate of fire is WAAYYY too low, and it's too big to easily tote around town.

Sorry, should have closed my sarcasm tag (/sarcasm) on that one. I was making light of the VPC and other Brady Bunchers attempts to ban the 50s on the basis of potential aircraft shoot-downs.

BTW, you are absolutely right.

[Prodigal Son]

No one is going to get SAM's into this country and take down an aircraft.

Don't know if you've seen this thread yet:

British National nabbed for trying to smuggle missile into NYC

[Moose4]

I hope you're right, but my pessimistic side says you're wrong.

Actually, in the late 80s, when I lived in Washington, I remember standing at various spots along the Potomac both above and below the bridges upstream from then-Washington National, and thinking to myself, "if I had an SA-7 (Soviet '70s shoulder-launched missile) right here, right now, that 727 would be a sitting duck." There is a fifteen-mile window along the so-called "river visual" approach to Reagan National's runway 18 or 19 (I forget which) where jetliners are within clear sight of the Potomac, with a number of parks on either side. Closer to the airport, the planes fly down the river with the Mall and monuments on their left and the tall buildings of Crystal City and Rosslyn, VA on their right. (The planes actually pass by well below the top of the Gannett/USA Today building.)

All it would take is one terrorist who didn't care much about getting caught, and a couple of minutes by himself to assemble the launcher. And then he could have a decent chance of bringing an airplane down, in a worst-case scenario, into Washington D.C. itself (if it veered left after being hit), onto the bridges where Air Florida 90 crashed in 1982, into packed office developments on the Virginia side, or at least into the river.

That approach is frightening enough to watch. The thought of Abdul Mohammed Sahib Skyhook down there with a Stinger makes it even worse.

}:-)4

[csvset]

They will accomplish their goals with the simpliest of tools & the simplest of means.

Geeze, these kids floated across on a raft. That's rather simple if you ask me.

Why bother with a SAM when you could have suicide bombers walk into the terminal after floating over to the airport like these kids did?

[nutmeg]

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[chuknospam]

Don't know if you've seen this thread yet:

British National nabbed for trying to smuggle missile into NYC

What you don't realise is that this was set up. An idiot was trolling for a missle, the authorities were notified and it was allowed to progress for two reasons; to catch all the perps involved, and to create a display for the media. Fact is that there have been attempts in the past to do the same thing, all our Stingers and similar missles have transponders built into them, they can track their whereabouts. I wouldn't be surprised if they now have a remote means to disable them like they do for handheld GPS units and for most of the sensitive computers in military use. As for foreign made SAM's, can't say about the transponders. But the mode of operation for the terrorists is low profile, they won't be looking to smuggle a missle, they are more likely to use the simplest means available to them. Imagine a SUV filled a dozen containers of gasoline. Would you questionan Arab man at the Home Depot/Walmart/Hardware store buying two 5 gal gas cans? A quick trip around town and he has all he needs and his cost is around $100. Be vigilent, expect the unexpected.

[Bigg Red]

Come on, everyone knows that you have to be at least 18 to buy a SAM.


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LOL!

[Blood of Tyrants]

Actually, as someone else pointed out, you have to be 21 to buy an explosive device;^)