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Ron Paul - Federal Courts and the Imaginary Constitution
House Web Site ^ | 8-11-2003 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

Posted on 08/11/2003 11:45:05 AM PDT by jmc813

It’s been a tough summer for social conservatives, thanks to our federal courts. From “gay rights” to affirmative action to Boy Scouts to the Ten Commandments, federal courts recently have issued rulings that conflict with both the Constitution and overwhelming public sentiment. Conservatives and libertarians who once viewed the judiciary as the final bulwark against government tyranny must now accept that no branch of government even remotely performs its constitutional role.

The practice of judicial activism- legislating from the bench- is now standard for many federal judges. They dismiss the doctrine of strict construction as hopelessly outdated, instead treating the Constitution as fluid and malleable to create a desired outcome in any given case. For judges who see themselves as social activists, their vision of justice is more important than the letter of the laws they are sworn to interpret and uphold. With the federal judiciary focused more on promoting a social agenda than upholding the rule of law, Americans find themselves increasingly governed by men they did not elect and cannot remove from office.

Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights- rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.

Similarly, a federal court judge in San Diego recently ordered that city to evict the Boy Scouts from a camp they have run in a city park since the 1950s. A gay couple, with help from the ACLU, sued the city claiming the Scouts’ presence was a violation of the “separation of church and state.” The judge agreed, ruling that the Scouts are in essence a religious organization because they mention God in their recited oath. Never mind that the land, once privately owned, had been donated to the city for the express purpose of establishing a Scout camp. Never mind that the Scouts have made millions of dollars worth of improvements to the land. The real tragedy is that our founders did not intend a separation of church and state, and never envisioned a rigidly secular public life for America. They simply wanted to prevent Congress from establishing a state religion, as England had. The First amendment says “Congress shall make no law”- a phrase that cannot possibly be interpreted to apply to the city of San Diego. But the phony activist “separation” doctrine leads to perverse outcomes like the eviction of Boy Scouts from city parks.

These are but two recent examples. There are many more, including the case of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was ordered by a federal court to remove a Ten Commandments monument from Alabama courthouse property.

The political left increasingly uses the federal judiciary to do in court what it cannot do at the ballot box: advance an activist, secular, multicultural political agenda of which most Americans disapprove. This is why federal legal precedents in so many areas do not reflect the consensus of either federal or state legislators. Whether it’s gun rights, abortion, taxes, racial quotas, environmental regulations, gay marriage, or religion, federal jurists are way out of touch with the American people. As a society we should reconsider the wisdom of lifetime tenure for federal judges, while Congress and the President should remember that the Supreme Court is supreme only over other federal courts- not over the other branches of government. It’s time for the executive and legislative branches to show some backbone, appoint judges who follow the Constitution, and remove those who do not.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: constitution; globalism; lawrencevtexas; ronpaul; ronpaullist; scotus
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To: tpaine
See 121, where you made the same claim, and I quoted Pauls indication of approval.

Wrong. You quoted his indication that Texas has a right to pass its law, which as I carefully explained to you, is not an expression of approval.

Once again: Saying that a person or a state has a right to do A is not the same as approving of A.

221 posted on 08/13/2003 8:07:50 AM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: inquest
Parse it as you wish.
Specious word games do not change the facts of what he wrote. The reader can decide what he expressed.
222 posted on 08/13/2003 8:14:53 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
The reader can decide what he expressed.

Sounds good to me.

223 posted on 08/13/2003 8:20:18 AM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Texas cannot make the very same activity legal for some and not others.

"...while a 20-year old can't drink, a 21-year old can..."

ALL 20 year olds can't, ALL 21 year olds can. Not different at all.

ALL men, homosexual or heterosexual, were prohibited from receiving anal sex, ALL women of both orientations were permitted.

224 posted on 08/13/2003 9:50:40 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Bob Mc
There is no realistic solution. We will continue to slide into tyranny. There are not enough to take up arms and successfully protect the rights granted under the Constitution. The ballot box offers no hope because Americans are so dumbed down they do not understand the Constitution. So its goodbye to the Constitution and freedom and hello to the Empire.
225 posted on 08/13/2003 11:06:08 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: Sandy
"What are the privileges or immunities of U.S. citizens, and what is liberty? These are the key words in the 14th Amendment, and their meaning is what the question boils down to. "

There is no problem subjecting Ninth Amendment rights to the tests of the Fourteenth.
The Fourteenth says nothing about what these privileges etc are, but the Ninth says they are retained by the people- and that is where the court must look to for their definitions.
Once defined, the court can test them by the Fourteenth. But if the court just makes up it's own definitions it can always define them in a way that will give them cause to act as they wish. That is no rule of law at all.
In Griswold and in Bowens the court looked to the record of the people, as the Ninth requires, to tell what the unenumerated right is. That is how they had decided all questions of rights- even the enumerated ones when it wasn't clear.

The striking aspect of Lawrence was the total disregard for the Ninth amendment. Their dicta basically said "we don't care what rights the people have had or that they think they have", going so far as to cite European rulings for the court's new definition of liberty.

It seems they have finally given up trying to incorporate the Ninth into the Fourteenth, and have decided to ignore it. But an honest examination of the record to see the rights retained by us, including the majoritarian ones, solves all these questions of privileges and immunities.

Of course, getting answers from the people instead of from law-school theories doesn't offer much opportunity for aggrandizement.

226 posted on 08/13/2003 11:06:36 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: CWOJackson
You are confusing a Constitutional issue with a political issue. The Constitution does not forbid the states (or Congress) from passing stupid laws. The issue of sodomy laws is a political argument, not a Constitutional one. The Constitution does not forbid states from outlawing sodomy.
227 posted on 08/13/2003 11:09:01 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: CWOJackson
You are confusing a Constitutional issue with a political issue. The Constitution does not forbid the states (or Congress) from passing stupid laws. The issue of sodomy laws is a political argument, not a Constitutional one. The Constitution does not forbid states from outlawing sodomy.
228 posted on 08/13/2003 11:13:10 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: CWOJackson
Feel free to allow the "state" to regulate your morality; what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no concern on the "state".

What if illegal drugs are involved?

229 posted on 08/13/2003 11:41:24 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: Kevin Curry
The best thing about this thread is that your hero, Ron Paul, says you are a tin-plated idiot.

Not that I expect an answer, but do you agree with the general gist of this article?

230 posted on 08/13/2003 11:42:51 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: rcofdayton
There is no realistic solution. We will continue to slide into tyranny. There are not enough to take up arms and successfully protect the rights granted under the Constitution. The ballot box offers no hope because Americans are so dumbed down they do not understand the Constitution. So its goodbye to the Constitution and freedom and hello to the Empire.

Despair helps no one. Don't give in. There's no reason to.

231 posted on 08/13/2003 11:53:17 AM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: FreedomCalls
"ALL men, homosexual or heterosexual, were prohibited from receiving anal sex, ALL women of both orientations were permitted."

That's not true at all, you don't even know the law, do you?

Texas statutes defined sodomy as "deviant sexual intercourse", sodomy being defined as any contact between one person's anal/oral cavity, and another person's genitalia.

What was prohibited was same-sex couples engaging in deviant sexual intercourse.

Your argument was debunked many, many times...including by the Supreme Court, only homosexual individuals would engage in same-sex sodomy, so the law as written was a targeted law.

To illustrate just how ridiculous your spin of the Texas law is, imagine that in Texas, the legislature decides to make participating in or conducting Jewish religious rituals illegal, and their argument to avoid the anti-semitic charges is that the law is equal for everyone, because it makes performing or engaging in Jewish religious rituals illegal not only for Jews, but for Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, and all other denominations as well.

232 posted on 08/13/2003 12:16:11 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: tpaine
My non-existent point Tommy?

The idea that only those rights listed in the Constitution are the only rights we have is the very thing that you are arguing against here.

Try a good twelve steps program, will you?

233 posted on 08/13/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The idea that only those rights listed in the Constitution are the only rights we have is the very thing that you are arguing against here.
-luis-

Of course it is, luis. Why do you find it necessary to belabor an obvious point that I've been making here since day one?
234 posted on 08/13/2003 12:59:26 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
only homosexual individuals would engage in same-sex sodomy, so the law as written was a targeted law.

Yeah, it's "targeted" towards those who would be inclined to break it, as are all laws.

235 posted on 08/13/2003 1:05:43 PM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: tpaine
You dweeb, I was trying to halp you make the point to the hoi polloi, and got caught in friendly fire.
236 posted on 08/13/2003 1:15:52 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: inquest
"Yeah, it's "targeted" towards those who would be inclined to break it, as are all laws."

Laws are not targeted at anything other than an act. Obviously, Texans don't have a problem with sodomy, they made it legal for 97% of the population.

Laws do not target anyone, they apply equally to all. It does not matter what your sex, race, age, social status, religion, nationality, or whatever ckassification you may find, murder laws apply to you if you commit murder.

237 posted on 08/13/2003 1:26:16 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
murder laws apply to you if you commit murder.

And same-sex sodomy laws apply to you if you commit same-sex sodomy.

238 posted on 08/13/2003 1:38:35 PM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
'Thanks' luis, but no thanks. -- Everyone here, to you, -- is a "dweeb".

Go patronize someone else.
239 posted on 08/13/2003 2:06:04 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: inquest
Which is wrong, because the act itself is sodomy.

Texas criminalized the pairing of the participants making this an unequal law.

Imagine that we make murder only a crime if males commit murder.

Is that an equitable l;aw?

Of course not.

If sodomy, what Texas statutes described as "deviant sexual intercourse" was bad, then it should have been bad for anyone to do it.
240 posted on 08/13/2003 2:06:51 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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