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Ron Paul - Federal Courts and the Imaginary Constitution
House Web Site ^ | 8-11-2003 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

Posted on 08/11/2003 11:45:05 AM PDT by jmc813

It’s been a tough summer for social conservatives, thanks to our federal courts. From “gay rights” to affirmative action to Boy Scouts to the Ten Commandments, federal courts recently have issued rulings that conflict with both the Constitution and overwhelming public sentiment. Conservatives and libertarians who once viewed the judiciary as the final bulwark against government tyranny must now accept that no branch of government even remotely performs its constitutional role.

The practice of judicial activism- legislating from the bench- is now standard for many federal judges. They dismiss the doctrine of strict construction as hopelessly outdated, instead treating the Constitution as fluid and malleable to create a desired outcome in any given case. For judges who see themselves as social activists, their vision of justice is more important than the letter of the laws they are sworn to interpret and uphold. With the federal judiciary focused more on promoting a social agenda than upholding the rule of law, Americans find themselves increasingly governed by men they did not elect and cannot remove from office.

Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights- rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.

Similarly, a federal court judge in San Diego recently ordered that city to evict the Boy Scouts from a camp they have run in a city park since the 1950s. A gay couple, with help from the ACLU, sued the city claiming the Scouts’ presence was a violation of the “separation of church and state.” The judge agreed, ruling that the Scouts are in essence a religious organization because they mention God in their recited oath. Never mind that the land, once privately owned, had been donated to the city for the express purpose of establishing a Scout camp. Never mind that the Scouts have made millions of dollars worth of improvements to the land. The real tragedy is that our founders did not intend a separation of church and state, and never envisioned a rigidly secular public life for America. They simply wanted to prevent Congress from establishing a state religion, as England had. The First amendment says “Congress shall make no law”- a phrase that cannot possibly be interpreted to apply to the city of San Diego. But the phony activist “separation” doctrine leads to perverse outcomes like the eviction of Boy Scouts from city parks.

These are but two recent examples. There are many more, including the case of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was ordered by a federal court to remove a Ten Commandments monument from Alabama courthouse property.

The political left increasingly uses the federal judiciary to do in court what it cannot do at the ballot box: advance an activist, secular, multicultural political agenda of which most Americans disapprove. This is why federal legal precedents in so many areas do not reflect the consensus of either federal or state legislators. Whether it’s gun rights, abortion, taxes, racial quotas, environmental regulations, gay marriage, or religion, federal jurists are way out of touch with the American people. As a society we should reconsider the wisdom of lifetime tenure for federal judges, while Congress and the President should remember that the Supreme Court is supreme only over other federal courts- not over the other branches of government. It’s time for the executive and legislative branches to show some backbone, appoint judges who follow the Constitution, and remove those who do not.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: constitution; globalism; lawrencevtexas; ronpaul; ronpaullist; scotus
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To: FreedomCalls
Feel free to allow the "state" to regulate your morality; what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no concern on the "state".
161 posted on 08/12/2003 9:31:41 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: billbears
"Present to me the right of privacy as stated in the Constitution of 1789 and the Bill of Rights in 1791."

Show me where in the Constitution your right to marry and raise children can be found.

162 posted on 08/12/2003 9:37:12 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Where did Ron Paul find the words "States rights" in the Constitution?
-LG-



"There are, however, states' rights- rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments.
Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards."


Read much Luis? -- Above's where he ~claims~ to have found them.
In one of those penumbra type thingys, no doubt...
163 posted on 08/12/2003 9:39:12 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The right to privacy is not a constitutional right, and it is not an enumerated right. This however does not mean that it does not exist. It is an unenumerated right retained by the people.

"Ninth Amendment -- The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
160 -LG-

There ya go luis, now it makes sense.

164 posted on 08/12/2003 9:45:30 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
The USSC, [not the 'Fed-Gov'] . . .

LOL!

Hey, Mr. Constitutional Expert, the USSC is a branch of the federal government!

If you don't feel stupid, you ought to.

The best thing about this thread is that your hero, Ron Paul, says you are a tin-plated idiot. You're 180 degrees out from Rep. Paul. If he's conservative, and you're 180 degreees out, that makes you . . . . .

Well, we've long known about your anarcho-marxist Gramscian tendencies.

165 posted on 08/12/2003 9:45:32 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
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To: tpaine
I read quite a bit Tommy, which is why I asked the question. The words "State's rights" are nowhere in the Constitution, and the Tenth talks bout "powers" not rights.

I guess Ron Paul finds things in the penumbra, yet he gives crap to others for finding stuff there as well.

166 posted on 08/12/2003 9:46:31 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: tpaine
In order for something to be a constitutional right, it has to be mentioned in the Constitution, or "enumerated" (that's why they call the constitutional rights).

Rights that we retain, but are not mentioned (enumerated) in the Constitution, are unenumerated rights.

Privacy is an unenumerated right.
167 posted on 08/12/2003 9:49:12 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: tpaine
Read the 9th & 10th amendments, then report back to me if & when you understand what they say

Are you daft? I simply restated the 9th and 10th amendments. The feds have the powers specifed in the constitution -- no more. The states retain all other powers unless the constitution prohibits them from retaining them. No where does it say the feds have any say-so over acts of sodomy. The states do, since it is not forbidden to them to regulate that activity. What's your problem with that interpretation?

168 posted on 08/12/2003 9:49:34 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: tpaine
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights (Constitutional rights), shall not be construed to deny or disparage others (unenumerated rights) retained by the people."

Get it now?

Now, please answer my question.

Where in the Constitution can State's rights be found?

170 posted on 08/12/2003 9:51:26 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: CWOJackson
Feel free to allow the "state" to regulate your morality; what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no concern on the "state".

That's your OPINION. That may even be my opinion, but that is not what is in the constitution. States have that power (or at least had it until the USSC Lawrence v. Texas ruling) and that is where the fight to remove those laws should occur. If you disagree with such a law on the books in your state, then you need to get your state legislators to alter or abolish it. You should not get the U.S. Supreme Court to issue new legislation abolishing it by dictat. They should not have that power.

171 posted on 08/12/2003 9:53:42 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I guess Ron Paul finds things in the penumbra, yet he gives crap to others for finding stuff there as well.
-LG-


Boy Luis, you sure nailed that one.

Course, you've never given crap to others for doing as you do, -- have you?
- Here, -- let me [seeing I've never sinned] throw the first stone.


172 posted on 08/12/2003 9:58:09 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Where in the Constitution can State's rights be found?

I'll take a shot. State's don't have rights. They have, through their legislature and executive branches, delegated authorities. These are specific and enumerated.

The notion of rights is quite simple. We the people have rights, not civil rights, not constitutional rights, not enumerated rights, but rights. That's it.

They aren't defined by government but rather despite it. Government, on the other hand, has limitations defined by us. This delegation of authority is the key to understanding rights but it is lost on most Americans due to apathy, lack of understanding, or both.

173 posted on 08/12/2003 9:59:56 PM PDT by nunya bidness (sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Privacy is an unenumerated right.
167 -lg-


Yep. Privacy is a constitutional, -- unenumerated right.
174 posted on 08/12/2003 10:02:05 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: nunya bidness
"State's don't have rights."

Thank you.

Paul's entire article is based on a false premise.

175 posted on 08/12/2003 10:03:54 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: tpaine
To be a constitutional right, it has to be actually enumerated in the Constitution.

Privacy is not, so it is not a constitutional right.

It does not make it any less of a right, it's just not a constitutional right.
176 posted on 08/12/2003 10:05:27 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: FreedomCalls
The way Texas 'regulated' that activity was unconstitutional.

Read the Lawrence decision, and report back when you understand the concept.
177 posted on 08/12/2003 10:07:04 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: FreedomCalls
Texas did not regulate sodomy, they in fact changed the older law and decriminalized it for the vast majority of the citizens, while keeping it a criminal activity it for the minority.

In doing that, Texas actually created the right to sodomy for the majority of its citizens, and denied it to others based on the sexual make-up of the couple involved.

Unconstitutional.
178 posted on 08/12/2003 10:11:50 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.)
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To: tpaine
Read the Lawrence decision, and report back when you understand the concept.

My view is that the Lawrence decision was an unconstitutional overreach of federal powers into an area of states' rights (in fact just 15 years ago this same Supreme Court agreed with me). A fundamental bedrock of federalism is that there are areas where, even though the activity may be repugnant, the federal government is restrained from making laws to prohibit it. That is left to the states. I understand the concept of Lawrence -- I just disagree with it, as I disagree with the USSC Roe v. Wade decision that there is a "right to privacy" that allows a woman to have an abortion.

179 posted on 08/12/2003 10:14:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Kevin Curry
"Well, we've long known about your anarcho-marxist Gramscian tendencies."

I'm more concerned with his Groucho-Marxist tendencies.
180 posted on 08/12/2003 10:17:19 PM PDT by Those_Crazy_Liberals (Ronaldus Magnus he's our man . . . If he can't do it, no one can.)
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