MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

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PDF file.

[PatrickHenry]

To what phase of the stellar life-cycle do Cepheid Variables belong?

From Googling around: Eventually (starting out on the main sequence in a balanced state called hydrostatic equilibrium), the interior of the star can't produce nuclear fusion reactions fast enough, and the star becomes unstable. It is then called a variable star.

[clamper1797]

God more as Engineer of our life, and less as Magician of our life. (Whew, gonna pay for that one!)

Two demerit points for use of logic ... now explain why God always seems to use some form / force of nature to preform his miracles.

[NCLaw441]

You said: Yup, what ever happened to the all-loving, all-forgiving God that I learned about back in Sunday School.

That there are those who would condemn you to hell for questioning any element of faith does not suggest to me that God would do so. I think we were given brains for a reason. I believe in God by faith, but science (the current subject of this post excluded) seems to move closer to acknowledging a Creator all the time. What was the source of the Big Bang? How did life begin, if not by a Creator (spontaneous generation of life seems to have been discounted)?

[Bluntpoint]

(Whew, gonna pay for that one!)



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[balrog666]

But picking and choosing from the Bible that's the worst form: "I believe in God but he stutters and is given to delusions of grandeur something fierce. Why, he starts out by telling whoppers and never lets up the whole way through!"

It all depends on whether you worship God or worship the Bible.

[js1138]

Which is along the lines of my personal beliefs ... I have a REAL problem with doctrines that have to resort to threats of some fiery hell for non-believers ... I give them the same credibility and respect that I afford the Taliban ... an omnipotent being would NOT need to use fear and intimidation to gain followers...

I see all kinds of metaphors and parables in the Bible. Nowhere do I see a commandment to believe that everything is literal.

I wish I had been collecting the various interpretations presented on these threads. Each and every poster who presents an explanation for some passage does so with such complete earnestness -- declaring that failure to believe this particular interpretaion puts your soul in mortal peril -- and each contradicting the interpretation of other posters. Perhaps that's why Jesus only handed out two commandments, both emphasising the word love and neither containing any reference to belief.

[SengirV]

Guess what, we are never going to convince each other(and there is more than a slight difference between Blader and Christ).

Lets do a little thought experiment. God is omnipotent? omniscient? omni*? yes. We both can agree on that. We do not know God's plan, nor do we have the understanding. I see it like this - Can God break in a game of 8-ball and sink all the balls? I think we can agree that the answer would be yes. Now take that same problem to about the 78th power and you get approximately the number of atoms in the universe. Or course you then have to arrange these atoms at every momement in time since the Universe began(For you 6K years, for me approx. 13 billion years). Can God arrange these atoms in any fashion God pleases? I think we would say yes. I prefer to believe that God's plan was in place when the big bang occured. And that 6K nor 13500000K years does not make make any differnce in big picture. It's just that I do not like the idea of God tricking us when it comes to the age of the universe. In fact, you are telling us to turn our back on trying to understand the universe around us(cosmology, astronomy, physics, etc...) because it doesn't jive with a creation story told four thousand years ago.

P.S. I enjoy talking about the age of the universe more than I do evolution, because all I have to do to see back millions/billions of years is to look up at the sky. I'm afraid that since we can't get the complete picture of Earth millions of years ago, that you will never be satisfied.

[clamper1797]

God more as Engineer of our life, and less as Magician of our life.

I need your permission to use that elsewhere ... in the form in which you intended ... cause you are so right

[clamper1797]

AMEN !!!!!

[clamper1797]

this was meant for you ...

God more as Engineer of our life, and less as Magician of our life.

I need your permission to use that elsewhere ... in the form in which you intended ... cause you are so right

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And you got post 500!

[js1138]

It all depends on whether you worship God or worship the Bible.

I think for some, the Bible has become a graven image, more important that creation itself.

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Wow! I was just checking your home page.

So what was the deal with Galileo's antenna? Did they really store the spacecraft on its side waiting for the shuttles to come back on line after Challenger?

[SengirV]

And lets now list the assumptions you've weighed into.

1. None of these beasts was water going.
2. None of these were extinct by that time.
3. All of these were not extinct by that time.
4. Unknown factors.

1. I do not believe that the water displacement of the sauropods(some of which were > 70 tons) would allow them to be bouyant.

2. If they weren't extinct, you would think that some of these 260 cultures would mention dinosuars. Wouldn't you?

3. Great, lets assume they were all extinct. So based on post #123, all dinosaurs had to have lived within a couple of hundred years.

4. Unknown factors like the dinosaurs really died off millions of years before Noah was born. I'd say that is a likely factor.

I'm only agruing this from the persective that Earth is far older than 6K years old. I do not believe Noah carried any dino's.

[50sDad]

Go, and Gospeed!

[clamper1797]

I don't know ... I've been out of the loop since 92 ... I helped design the cpu and memories that are/were used in Galileo. BUT that was a while ago

[whattajoke]

It[The Flood Myth] is a story told in 260 cultures if memory serves.

Perhaps because almost every single early culture was situated in river basins and flood zones due to the richness of the soil? And perhaps being situated in said areas, floods were the major ecological event that happened more than a few times during a typical early civilization lifespan? And perhaps because the myopic worldview of the denizens of said early civilizations was so small, that the (say) 10 year flood event was their equivalent of (say) a "world wide flood." Not too difficult to parse, in my opinion.

[The Flood Myth} has more evidence for it and from more sources than are involved in a typical murder investigation and the details largely corraborate the guts of the story just about no matter what version is told.

And when you get around to giving us some of that evidence, I'll start listening. (By the way, the original post, even if credible, does not point to a "great flood" in the least).

And [The Flood Myth] is born out in the geological evidences.

See my previous sentence.

The only people discounting the story are people who don't want to admit it could be true.

And every single non christian bible literalist American, for the most part. Sheesh.

It isn't that there is no evidence, the evidence is there

...He said again without providing any. Should I expect anything different?

A boat the length of a football stadium and several stories tall would house the animals of the time.

So even though you believe the ark myth, you accept evolution? "[all] the animals of the time." Since all the animals of our time wouldn't fit on any boat, no matter how giant, you're admitting there's been some speciation? That's a start at least. So perhaps we can move on to the obvious gene pool problem with only 2 of every animal alive. Or was that another "god loophole?"

I've so much to learn!

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You must've done good, because the mission is a raving success even without the high gain antenna.

Good job!

[Doctor Stochastic]

They prefer to choose acceptable results rather than choosing to accept results.

[SengirV]

... I am a Christian, by faith. That being said, a couple of questions. What caused the "big bang" if that is your theory of the beginning of the universe? Second, how did life begin?

I am a Christian as well. Please read post#587. That will tell you the basis for my thinking with respect to those questions. Basically, you need to assume that God is present without being defined in time and space. God created time and space as we know it thru the big bang, and put everything we see today into motion in that one event. We are trying to get a better understanding of God's creation. We are being told that, unless we confirm what is written word for word in the bible(a craetion story >3K years old), that we are going to hell(that has been stated many times in many evo/YEC threads). I personally do not see any problem with trying to understand the universe if I believe God is the creator/artist behind it. But some YEC would have you believe that I am going to hell because I do not go thru life with blinders on. I take offense to that.