Schwarzenegger's race helps GOP (immigrant persona deemed a plus)

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 8/10/03 | Donald Lambro

[Liz]

Arnold Schwarzenegger's bid to recapture the California governorship for the Republicans could dramatically change the face of their party in a major electoral state that is one of the Democrats' biggest political strongholds.

"If Schwarzenegger is able to win this and able to successfully govern California, he plants an inclusive Republican flag in a state that Democrats have taken for granted in the last several presidential election cycles," said an unidentified Republican Party official.

[BlackElk]

Yeah, but on the issues that count, Schwarzenkennedy will appoint limp-wristed baby slashers at the same rate as Bustamente. What's the diff? If Deukmejian were running, that would be a different story. McClintock is like Deukmejian and not like Schwarzenkennedy or Bustamente. If the choice is Schwarzenkennedy's judges or Bustamente's there is nothing for a social conservative to choose from. Let Bustamente take the heat. Social conservatives have no obligation to vote RINOs into office. We will have to be bought like anyone else and the prices are high, very high.

[sinkspur]

Social conservatives have no obligation to vote RINOs into office. We will have to be bought like anyone else and the prices are high, very high.

Of course they don't. But, in California, they'll be outnumbered.

And who's "we"? You, like me, don't live in California.

[BlackElk]

Yeah, but on the issues that count, Schwarzenkennedy will appoint limp-wristed baby slashers at the same rate as Bustamente. What's the diff? If Deukmejian were running, that would be a different story. McClintock is like Deukmejian and not like Schwarzenkennedy or Bustamente. If the choice is Schwarzenkennedy's judges or Bustamente's there is nothing for a social conservative to choose from. Let Bustamente take the heat. Social conservatives have no obligation to vote RINOs into office. We will have to be bought like anyone else and the prices are high, very high.

[rolling_stone]

I for one am sick and tired of the name calling baby slashers etc, one issue right wing religious conservatives that are doing their best to alienate other conservatives. You can't see the handwriting on the wall and refuse to compromise so be it, be left out in the cold with Bustamonte so you can moan and groan for 3 years instead of taking a little chunk out of the middle right now. I won't resort to calling you names, but questioning your comprehension and understanding of the political process and knowledge of how people can get things to change to their ideas I will question....keep it up and you will be talking to a mirror...

[Stallone]

Brilliant comparison!

The Left have their Greens, and we have the Libertarians that haven't had a real job in the last 10 years advising the GOP to be 'pure'.

Hilarious!

[BlackElk]

I lost a more eloquent response in my capacity as old fumblefingers. Since I am pressed this one will have to do.

I am not trying to shut you up. I am calling upon you to speak courageously in your capacity as a Catholic deacon. I do not do this out of disrespect. You have vows and obligations and I do not think I should refrain from pointing that out to you any more than I would refrain from doing the same with the deacon in my parish or with my pastor. You are part of the Catholic family and so am I.

I recently referred a deeply troubled Catholic woman to you and to a more conservative deacon simultaneously with the suggestion that her problems were beyond my limited abilities and in my judgment she needed to hear two Catholic views represented by you and the other deacon, that two heads are better than one and that such problems ought be handled privately and not in the glare of the internet and by competent clergy. I do not make such references out of disrespect nor do I make them, obviously, because of complete agreement with you on all things Catholic.

Secondly, on the post to which you responded and on this one, I did not summon the posse.

Thirdly, despite obvious differences, we probably agree on more than we often admit. Who would have imagined a reasonable agreement on liturgy that both Tridentine and Novus Ordo should be available?

Fourth, I do not, for the life of me understand why you persist in this support of "civil rights" for homosexuals as such or in supporting their political and judicial supporters or how this squares with Catholic doctrine particularly after this recent document from Ratzinger.

I have written publicly since I am responding to your post and I do not want others to misunderstand this situation.

[Stallone]

Vote Arnold.

These clowns are closet leftists trying to incite the GOP to political suicide with Tom or Bill, neither one who could be elected in California in our lifetime.

Bill Clinton himself would encourage the GOP to abandon the front-runner in favor of a losing idealogical purist.

Rush is an idiot, as are these chimps.

These 'purist' GOP are easy marks for the 'Rats to exploit as political fools.

Californians are the Left coast, the Clintons support the incumbent, Democrats outnumber Republicans outrageously, this state is home to Berkeley, San Francisco, Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein.

Despite all these facts, the people of California are rallying and excited to vote for Arnold, a registered Republican, and a true American patriot.

If stupidity had wheels, these creeps would be greasing the bearings.

[sinkspur]

Fourth, I do not, for the life of me understand why you persist in this support of "civil rights" for homosexuals as such or in supporting their political and judicial supporters or how this squares with Catholic doctrine particularly after this recent document from Ratzinger.

It's not civil rights for homosexuals. All I argued against was the Texas law, which punished homosexuals for the same actions that many heterosexuals engage in.

You wanna ban sodomy for both, fine (though I don't think the law has any business in the bedroom of two consenting adults).

I am calling upon you to speak courageously in your capacity as a Catholic deacon.

As a Catholic deacon, I don't give up my political judgment, and in my judgment, the two conservative candidates have no chance in this election. Now, I don't get to vote, so I won't have a say.

But, if I did, I'd vote for Arnold in a heartbeat. My saying that is not going to influence anybody in California to support or not support him.

I've voted for Kay Bailey Hutchison three times, even though she's pro-choice. Now, she's always run against a pro-choice Democrat, but, even if she had run against a pro-life Democrat, I would still vote for her.

I won't vote for a Democrat under any circumstances.

[BlackElk]

The "we" references movement conservatives who are social conservatives as well as otherwise conservative. I suspect you are not one of us on a number of important issues and certainly not if you support Schwarzenkennedy despite his support for abortion and support for homosexuality and support for "gay" marriage and "gay" adoption. We are the litmus test folks who occasionally disagree but always debate among ourselves and agree to a remarkable extent among ourselves and occasionally agree to respectfully disagree. We generally can recognize one another easily. A word, a usage, a phrase, and a total commitment to well-honed principles.

Involvement as a movement conservative requires more than a declaration of solidarity as a cafeteria conservative on some issues but not most. Like the RCC to which many but by no means all of us belong, a certain conformity to the basics is required. We are not in politics a very "do your own thing" kind of crowd. If a California conservative says: We don't want RINO Lyin' George Ryan to be re-elected in Illinois. We want him jailed. His/her brothers and sisters in Illinois will be found in agreement and cooperation: Ryan supported abortion, homosexuality, welfare funding of abortion, higher taxes, more gun control, commuting all death penalties and was a lying snake who never saw a commitment he would not massacre. He ought to be federally incarcerated along with his inner circle who are already in the federal hoosegow. We collectively despise the likes of Lowell Weicker, etc., etc. We do not presume to speak for you any more than I presume to be a deacon. Just as you have prepared for the diaconate, we have spent years of reading, debate and preparation and activism and cameraderie.

Also, with all due respect, in your support of Schwarzenkennedy and of the Texas sodomy ruling, you do not qualify as a social conservative and you have never claimed to have done so. The movement conservatives can call upon one another wherever we may be. Some who were on my YAF, CR and YR Boards in Connecticut are now in California as I am in Illinois. That does not mean we are not in permanent solidarity on issues. This is not apparently your club. Smashing RINOs is a major sport among us. We are partisans and defeating RINOs is priority #1. Good princiles make good politics and good government. Surrender does not. We don't always succeed but we usually do as to RINOs as you you can see from all the RINO whining about extremists who keep their social issue surrender monkeys from being nominated or elected. We humbly accept their ribute to our history.

All of life ought to resemble the knight fork in chess. My knight simultaneously attacks the enemy king and queen. Since the king MUST be saved, unless my knight can be captured first, I have killed the enemy queen. I win, I win, I lose (the knight afterwards), I still win. Trading knights for queens is good and sometimes, you keep the knight too. I have pinged ninenot because I want him to see this specific post. I am not deriding you.

[BlackElk]

We differ on these things and sodomy and baby killing have no rights whatsoever. I do not understand defense of ANY homosexuality in western civilization (which is essentially Catholic civilization by ancestry). This is like saying that if the politician has a right to tax then the Marxist has a right to rob banks with the same impunity. Politicians are unsavory, greedy and legalized thieves but they ARE legally allowed their thievery. Felons robbing banks may be shot in the act and killed if necessary. I personally have little concern to have police cruising bedrooms, but the legal system should have Scalia's spine and insights and reject lavender special interests or lavender "rights." Of course, liberals may disagree but that's my story and I am sticking to it. So is Genesis. So is the Vatican.

[BlackElk]

Excuse me. Libertarians????? I don't think so.

[BlackElk]

You want your wallet protected and don't give a damn about morality. You cannot draft my vote or that of California movement conservatives for the social leftist Shwarzenkennedy. Be as sick and tired as you like but you have no right to these votes. You cannot name with certainty a single thing that Aaaaahnold will even attempt to accomplish because HE won't dare say anything,. Now why is that, do you suppose?

[rolling_stone]

You want your wallet protected and don't give a damn about morality. You cannot draft my vote or that of California movement conservatives for the social leftist Shwarzenkennedy. Be as sick and tired as you like but you have no right to these votes. You cannot name with certainty a single thing that Aaaaahnold will even attempt to accomplish because HE won't dare say anything,. Now why is that, do you suppose?

Arnold has said he will attemtp to bring businesses back to California and that is a good start...


My morality is not your morality and you can't legislate morality..only laws.....and IMO you are cutting off your nose to spite your face..taking two steps backwards instead of one step forward. Someone's stance on abortion is not the end all...you want to change public opinion educate people don't badger them....how do you feel when Jehovah's Witnesses pound on your door? What - you have a difference of opinion than other so called religious people? You want to do something about sodomy, why not start within the Catholic Church, it seems to be a breeding ground for NAMBLA..hypocracy at its finest...

[Burkeman1]

Yes- we can agree to disagree on this. But just out of curiosity I checked your page. You have an Illinois flag on your page. Have you been to Southie lately? Do you know anyone who lives there now? Not trying to be a snot- but I don't think you quite understand what the Bulger crime family did to your beloved Southie in the 80's and 90's. An entire generation of kids were destroyed- given up to drugs, jail, violence, prostitution (Whitey liked to pimp out young teen girls by the dozen- 12,13,14 year olds), insane asylums, welfare, alcholism and suicide. I am not saying none of these problems didn't exist before- but there is definite evidence they became far worse while Whitey and his brother had free reign. Whitey is not some romantic gangster that I think you kinda see him as (I may be wrong)- he was a sick twisted man who raped young girls, helped murder at least one young girl the Rifleman Flemmi was screwing around with while dating the girls mother, and helped destroy hundreds of Southie youth with drugs. Organized Crime people are not the Soprono's or the God Father- they are complete amoral animals who are parasites on their communities.

And PS- my family has direct roots from both sides in Southie and Dorchester.

[ninenot]

It remains to be seen if:

1) Rush is an idiot. He's a wealthy idiot--if he's an idiot.

2) Schwarzenkennedy's ratings hold up. He's cute, he has movies, he has money. He also has utterly idiotic Social Democrat positions he brought from Austria.

3) McClintock falls on his nose. Ardently held, well-articulated, and forcefully argued principled positions do have a place in politics, and are often very successful. Only a year ago, Milwaukee County, the largest Democrat County in Wisconsin, elected a Republican CONSERVATIVE as its County Exec.

4) Your argument against principle is worth the powder to blow you, and it, to Hell.

[ninenot]

Your position on pro-life Democrats goes DIRECTLY against the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. There is no "civil option" granted on abortion, period.

Re-read Theo 101.

[ninenot]

And while I am at it, the State should make laws which comport with Natural Order. You argue that the law should be "perfect" here--penalizing both het and homo sodomy.

Strange that you don't argue for "perfect" candidates--but rather, AGAINST them.

Please rigorously re-examine.

[ninenot]

You completely misunderstand the phrase 'you cannot legislate morality.' It is a negative: that is, one cannot make me love, (say) Sinkspur, by law.

Were your interpretation the correct one, homicide statutes would be eliminated. OK by me, as long as it's only in California that it happens...

[B Knotts]

"Ever since Proposition 187 [which denied nonemergency assistance to illegal immigrants] and Republican Governor Pete Wilson, Democrats have been in the ascendency here, and Republicans have been perceived as anti-immigrant and exclusive," said the party adviser on the condition of anonymity.

Typical uninformed rubbish.

As it turns out, Ahnold was in favor of 187.

Oops.

[B Knotts]

No. Ahnold supported 187. The DemocRATS are already trying to beat him about the head with it.

It will not work. He will gain more than he loses.

The anti-187 reconquistas are all going to vote for Bustamante anyhow.