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To: BlackElk
Social conservatives have no obligation to vote RINOs into office. We will have to be bought like anyone else and the prices are high, very high.

Of course they don't. But, in California, they'll be outnumbered.

And who's "we"? You, like me, don't live in California.

102 posted on 08/11/2003 3:30:43 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: sinkspur; ninenot
The "we" references movement conservatives who are social conservatives as well as otherwise conservative. I suspect you are not one of us on a number of important issues and certainly not if you support Schwarzenkennedy despite his support for abortion and support for homosexuality and support for "gay" marriage and "gay" adoption. We are the litmus test folks who occasionally disagree but always debate among ourselves and agree to a remarkable extent among ourselves and occasionally agree to respectfully disagree. We generally can recognize one another easily. A word, a usage, a phrase, and a total commitment to well-honed principles.

Involvement as a movement conservative requires more than a declaration of solidarity as a cafeteria conservative on some issues but not most. Like the RCC to which many but by no means all of us belong, a certain conformity to the basics is required. We are not in politics a very "do your own thing" kind of crowd. If a California conservative says: We don't want RINO Lyin' George Ryan to be re-elected in Illinois. We want him jailed. His/her brothers and sisters in Illinois will be found in agreement and cooperation: Ryan supported abortion, homosexuality, welfare funding of abortion, higher taxes, more gun control, commuting all death penalties and was a lying snake who never saw a commitment he would not massacre. He ought to be federally incarcerated along with his inner circle who are already in the federal hoosegow. We collectively despise the likes of Lowell Weicker, etc., etc. We do not presume to speak for you any more than I presume to be a deacon. Just as you have prepared for the diaconate, we have spent years of reading, debate and preparation and activism and cameraderie.

Also, with all due respect, in your support of Schwarzenkennedy and of the Texas sodomy ruling, you do not qualify as a social conservative and you have never claimed to have done so. The movement conservatives can call upon one another wherever we may be. Some who were on my YAF, CR and YR Boards in Connecticut are now in California as I am in Illinois. That does not mean we are not in permanent solidarity on issues. This is not apparently your club. Smashing RINOs is a major sport among us. We are partisans and defeating RINOs is priority #1. Good princiles make good politics and good government. Surrender does not. We don't always succeed but we usually do as to RINOs as you you can see from all the RINO whining about extremists who keep their social issue surrender monkeys from being nominated or elected. We humbly accept their ribute to our history.

All of life ought to resemble the knight fork in chess. My knight simultaneously attacks the enemy king and queen. Since the king MUST be saved, unless my knight can be captured first, I have killed the enemy queen. I win, I win, I lose (the knight afterwards), I still win. Trading knights for queens is good and sometimes, you keep the knight too. I have pinged ninenot because I want him to see this specific post. I am not deriding you.

109 posted on 08/11/2003 4:30:26 PM PDT by BlackElk ( It is always a good day to hunt RINOs and CINOs like rented mules!)
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