After Action Report Freeped the MoveOn.org redistricting rally, Austin, TX 8/9/03

Aug. 9, 2003 | The Bat Lady

[The Bat Lady]

MoveOn.org planned a huge rally to support the Texas Democrat Senators who have run to New Mexico, today. At least 13 brave freepers met to stand on the other side. We were Basil, Gracey, The Bat Lady, HocNDoc, DrewsDad, CindyDawg and her hubby, Verona (Lurker), Petronide, JimNTexas, Jobshopper and his wife and DeadCorpse.

If I have misspelled anyone's name please chime in.

As I was driving up, I heard that MoveOn.org had 3,000 people coming to Austin for this rally. I hadn't heard who would be showing up and was pretty nervious about being the only one. But then I figured that at least DrewsDad would be there. Of course, I was right.

When I got there an hour before the rally's time almost all parking was taken up on the West side of the Capitol and there were 2 buses parked there.

[The Bat Lady]

I heard there were 20 buses on the East side.

My question is who paid for these buses? The Democrat party or MoveOn.org?

[The Bat Lady]

The Rally seemed to start early but they had a huge crowd.

There was mexican music and lots of signs in spanish. Near the beginning a plane flew overhead with a banner saying, "Texas Heros Don't Run Away" If anyone knows who had this done, we would love to know.

[MEG33]

Thanks for the report...good job!

[The Bat Lady]

I didn't take all my signs since I wasn't sure how many would show up, but took the flag that they used at the Alamo (not the original one of course) that was a Mexican flag with 1824 in the center. (The Texians wanted Mexico to return to the Constitution of 1824)

But my point was that when Travis drew a line in the sand and asked if they would stay and fight or if not, they were free to leave. All but one (Rose) stayed to fight.

They knew they would die and they stayed to fight. We aren't asking the Dems to die, just stay and fight.

Also that Texans stay and fight in Texas and running to NM is not the same as being a Texas Hero!

I doubt that many got the point but some did ask and when I told them, I got called a racist once and dragged into some other history that I confess I didn't know.

My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?

[hocndoc]

UHOH, we have two threads going.
Drews Dad has one here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/961187/posts

At least we showed up!!!

[colorado tanker]

My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?

I don't think immigration was as formally regulated in those days as it is today. I'm pretty sure the Mexican government would have regarded guys from Tennessee shooting at their soldiers as "illegal." But since history is written by the winners, those guys are heroes not illegals.

[The Bat Lady]

the one sign I did take
SIDE ONE
"Why does MoveOn.org have a link to the Communist party site?"

SIDE TWO
"Who do you March with" and then I printed the homepage of CPUSA and it had the link to MoveOn.org right above the ACTION section.

So I said that MoveOn.org is the Action wing of the Communist party of America.

GET THIS!!!! The most common comment was.... So what is wrong with the Communist party.

I said everyone has free speech and so does the Communist party, all I'm saying is that if MoveOn.org has organized the rally and paid for the buses and the music and you are marching with them, I just want you to know.

If you want communism for your children and grandchildren then get out there and fight for it, but be honest about it. Don't let them use your body here for a counting for their purposes, if that is not what you wish.

One girl did take the time to talk calmly and said is the link there as a Communist part or just (I don't know )advertising (can't exactly remember how she put it, and I said well I'm not sure but she said that she will check into it. That is all I ask that you look into WHO you are marching with.

[Cindy]

"ARE THEY FOR US OR AGAINST US?" (Updated Daily - Click Here.)

[Wonder Warthog]

"My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?"

Since most of those "Texians" had gone through an exhaustive process to become citizens of Mexico, they would be considered legal immigrants. I forget all the details, but in order to legally own land in Texas at that time, there were a whole lot of hoops to jump through. I seem to recall that ONE of those hoops was to convert to Roman Catholicism.

[Libertina]

a plane flew overhead with a banner saying, "Texas Heros Don't Run Away
LOL You DO FReep Texas size, don't you?!

[Libertina]

BTTT Hi Bat Lady! Great FReep and thank you for standing up for America. BTW, when I just checked out the CPUSA website, their moveon.org link was not working. Hmmmmm. Once, when I "participated" in a rat regional planning session (incognito ;) the guy sitting next to me was the 2nd highest commie in our state. He spoke at the meeting and the rats listened carefully. I can't even think of a time that another party spoke at a Pubbie meeting.

And I agree with you, most people don't know who the rats are connected to... In addition, the horror is so long ago that they are not concerned. Both of these situations are dangerous.

[ladyinred]

Oh I am so glad your exposed the moveon.org connection with the communist site. Of course they are one in the same, but that is supposed to be a secret! They call themselves "progressives" these days!

Great job, and thanks to all of you!

[El Gato]

My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?

As far as I know they were legals. The bunch that came with Crocket may not strictly speaking have been legals, but the others were mostly settlers. The previous Mexican government had encouraged people, including Gringos, to settle in the lands between Bexar (San Antonio) and the Sabine River (the Louisana border) , generally along the coast, but inland for as much as 100 miles.

[schaketo]

You can also Freep from afar:

The Texas Democrat Party encourages us to "thank the Texas 11"...the Texas Democrat Party Jackals who think it is better to be personally protected by New Mexico State Troopers--courtesy of the New Mexico taxpayers on the orders of Democrat Governor Bill Richardson--than to work on the legislative business of the people of Texas.
Here is the address and phone number of their current hideout:

The Marriott Albuquerque Pyramid North
5151 San Francisco Road NE
Albuquerque, NM 87109
Phone: 1 505-821-3333
Fax: 1 505-828-0230

How about everyone mail them one of the following:

Box of pampers
Jar of baby wipes
Baby rattle
Talcom powder to help with their chapped bottoms.
Cabbage patch dolls.

Make sure to send this to all your like minded friends. I sent baby wipes myself. Have fun!

[MEG33]

ANSWER is an offshoot of World Workers,too.The peace protesters seemed to like the fact someone did the organizing and bus charters and were indifferent to the communist ties.Very ignorant and discouraging.Gore spoke to MoveOn!

[Abynormal]

Hey Bat Lady,
Thanks so much for your participation in that rally. I'm in Fort Worth and wanted so badly to be there to protest the protesters! I just could not make it and wish that 'our' side had more representation. I'm concerned that the news coverage presented the appeal side of the Democrats and it makes it appear that Texans are against the GOP. Hope that is not the case.

I really wish that this dilemma not be equated to the Alamo. The TX 11 are nowhere NEAR the privilege of heroism.... only determination. Their pity party has no correlation to the fight at the Alamo. Any further debate about the Alamo only perpetuates their claim.

Instead, we should expose the Democrats for their childish implication that the Republicans could never represent the Hispanic population, which is ridiculous.

Thanks for your dedication!

[GatekeeperBookman]

"My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?"

A few late arrivals might not have checked in with INS, but they came on an 'emergency' basis to defend the Rule of Law ( the 1824 Mexican Constitution ) & freedom. Others came from outside Texas in order to fight. Some ended up fighting at San Jacinto. Most were legal residents-the population had grown due to deliberate solicitaion by the Mexican government.

Read Three Roads to the Alamo, Davis, & learn that during the siege, as many as 40 residents of San Antonio, of Spanish surname, were INSIDE. All but 11 left because their families were held hostage by you know who. Eleven stayed inside to die with the mostly legal immigrants.
They ( like Crockett, et al ) really did perform work which no one else would do.

Those 11 are among the defenders detailed at http://www.thealamo.org/history/defenders.html ,
and each is linked to bio's at the The Handbook of Texas, which is in turn, the Bible of Texas history, people & places. First on the list is Abamillo, Juan. Birthplace is noted for each defender.

Two dozen of the men under Juan Seguin at San Jacinto were also of Spanish surname-some of them were from the original 40 who were in the Alamo, & were forced to leave. Incidentally, Juan Seguin returned to the Alamo a year later, with his troup of Spanish surname soldiers to conduct a funeral for what they could find of the bones of the victims of the siege. He personally delivered the funeral oration over that grave, which is commemorated by a bronze plaque at the Alamo.

Texas was SEPARATED from Mexico in an act which was entirely legitimate. The corrupt government was found wanting & FIRED, removed.

There are people buried all around Texas who fought at San Jacinto. This is my Mother's Gr-Grandfather.
http://libweb.sfasu.edu/etrc/collect/oakgrove/buford.jpg
She is from Galveston, was B.O.I. & may be the oldest living Oleander Princess, circa 1922. History is, for some of us, very close.

If we may believe what we read, the new movie due out December is entirely accurate. I will believe it when I see it. http://www.thealamofilm.com/index.htm


If you are in Austin, look up to the top of the Capitol. My Father's Mother's Father helped raise the original of that statue, with a team of mules. It is a Lady, holding the Star on one arm & shoulder, with a sword in the other hand. Nothing but cold steel & hot lead, employed by the few who have courage, stand between fools & tyranny. Some died to defend this Republic cum State.

True story-Legless & Armless, the Union Man Sat on the Curb of the New Rice Hotel in Houston. In Faded Blue Coat, Hat in Lap. Wm. Henry Berkeley, CSA, graduate of several Union prison camps, who rode with Forrest, who drank his lunch every day for the last 60 years of his life, flipped a $5 Gold piece into the beggar's old Union hat. It Was 1913. Inside the Lobby, one of several astonished Grandchildren was Compelled to Ask, "But Grampa, Why Did You Give That Beggar a Five Dollar Gold-Piece?"
The Aged Confederate's Angry Answer Faded Into an Evil Whisper, "That's The First One I've Seen Since the War, Just Exactly Like I Want Him!"
All Who could Hear Him Were Terrified...They knew he Meant it.

One chapter in a famous history of Texas is titled Blood & Soil. That works.