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To: Libertina; colorado tanker; patriotrwb; chgomac; dwills; whipitgood; PetroniDE; PlanoMike; ...
I didn't take all my signs since I wasn't sure how many would show up, but took the flag that they used at the Alamo (not the original one of course) that was a Mexican flag with 1824 in the center. (The Texians wanted Mexico to return to the Constitution of 1824)

But my point was that when Travis drew a line in the sand and asked if they would stay and fight or if not, they were free to leave. All but one (Rose) stayed to fight.

They knew they would die and they stayed to fight. We aren't asking the Dems to die, just stay and fight.

Also that Texans stay and fight in Texas and running to NM is not the same as being a Texas Hero!

I doubt that many got the point but some did ask and when I told them, I got called a racist once and dragged into some other history that I confess I didn't know.

My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?
4 posted on 08/09/2003 2:45:12 PM PDT by The Bat Lady
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To: The Bat Lady
UHOH, we have two threads going.
Drews Dad has one here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/961187/posts

At least we showed up!!!
5 posted on 08/09/2003 2:49:04 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: The Bat Lady
My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?

I don't think immigration was as formally regulated in those days as it is today. I'm pretty sure the Mexican government would have regarded guys from Tennessee shooting at their soldiers as "illegal." But since history is written by the winners, those guys are heroes not illegals.

6 posted on 08/09/2003 2:50:31 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: The Bat Lady; colorado tanker
"My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?"

Since most of those "Texians" had gone through an exhaustive process to become citizens of Mexico, they would be considered legal immigrants. I forget all the details, but in order to legally own land in Texas at that time, there were a whole lot of hoops to jump through. I seem to recall that ONE of those hoops was to convert to Roman Catholicism.

9 posted on 08/09/2003 3:11:57 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: The Bat Lady
My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?

As far as I know they were legals. The bunch that came with Crocket may not strictly speaking have been legals, but the others were mostly settlers. The previous Mexican government had encouraged people, including Gringos, to settle in the lands between Bexar (San Antonio) and the Sabine River (the Louisana border) , generally along the coast, but inland for as much as 100 miles.

13 posted on 08/09/2003 11:09:31 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: The Bat Lady
Hey Bat Lady,
Thanks so much for your participation in that rally. I'm in Fort Worth and wanted so badly to be there to protest the protesters! I just could not make it and wish that 'our' side had more representation. I'm concerned that the news coverage presented the appeal side of the Democrats and it makes it appear that Texans are against the GOP. Hope that is not the case.

I really wish that this dilemma not be equated to the Alamo. The TX 11 are nowhere NEAR the privilege of heroism.... only determination. Their pity party has no correlation to the fight at the Alamo. Any further debate about the Alamo only perpetuates their claim.

Instead, we should expose the Democrats for their childish implication that the Republicans could never represent the Hispanic population, which is ridiculous.

Thanks for your dedication!
16 posted on 08/11/2003 8:27:03 AM PDT by Abynormal
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"My question to freepers, were the Texians fighting at the Alamo legal or illegal immigrants?"

A few late arrivals might not have checked in with INS, but they came on an 'emergency' basis to defend the Rule of Law ( the 1824 Mexican Constitution ) & freedom. Others came from outside Texas in order to fight. Some ended up fighting at San Jacinto. Most were legal residents-the population had grown due to deliberate solicitaion by the Mexican government.

Read Three Roads to the Alamo, Davis, & learn that during the siege, as many as 40 residents of San Antonio, of Spanish surname, were INSIDE. All but 11 left because their families were held hostage by you know who. Eleven stayed inside to die with the mostly legal immigrants.
They ( like Crockett, et al ) really did perform work which no one else would do.

Those 11 are among the defenders detailed at http://www.thealamo.org/history/defenders.html ,
and each is linked to bio's at the The Handbook of Texas, which is in turn, the Bible of Texas history, people & places. First on the list is Abamillo, Juan. Birthplace is noted for each defender.

Two dozen of the men under Juan Seguin at San Jacinto were also of Spanish surname-some of them were from the original 40 who were in the Alamo, & were forced to leave. Incidentally, Juan Seguin returned to the Alamo a year later, with his troup of Spanish surname soldiers to conduct a funeral for what they could find of the bones of the victims of the siege. He personally delivered the funeral oration over that grave, which is commemorated by a bronze plaque at the Alamo.

Texas was SEPARATED from Mexico in an act which was entirely legitimate. The corrupt government was found wanting & FIRED, removed.

There are people buried all around Texas who fought at San Jacinto. This is my Mother's Gr-Grandfather.
http://libweb.sfasu.edu/etrc/collect/oakgrove/buford.jpg
She is from Galveston, was B.O.I. & may be the oldest living Oleander Princess, circa 1922. History is, for some of us, very close.

If we may believe what we read, the new movie due out December is entirely accurate. I will believe it when I see it. http://www.thealamofilm.com/index.htm


If you are in Austin, look up to the top of the Capitol. My Father's Mother's Father helped raise the original of that statue, with a team of mules. It is a Lady, holding the Star on one arm & shoulder, with a sword in the other hand. Nothing but cold steel & hot lead, employed by the few who have courage, stand between fools & tyranny. Some died to defend this Republic cum State.

True story-Legless & Armless, the Union Man Sat on the Curb of the New Rice Hotel in Houston. In Faded Blue Coat, Hat in Lap. Wm. Henry Berkeley, CSA, graduate of several Union prison camps, who rode with Forrest, who drank his lunch every day for the last 60 years of his life, flipped a $5 Gold piece into the beggar's old Union hat. It Was 1913. Inside the Lobby, one of several astonished Grandchildren was Compelled to Ask, "But Grampa, Why Did You Give That Beggar a Five Dollar Gold-Piece?"
The Aged Confederate's Angry Answer Faded Into an Evil Whisper, "That's The First One I've Seen Since the War, Just Exactly Like I Want Him!"
All Who could Hear Him Were Terrified...They knew he Meant it.

One chapter in a famous history of Texas is titled Blood & Soil. That works.

17 posted on 08/14/2003 12:17:51 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman ("impossible and radically idealist notions" * please inquire for clarification.)
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