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Worse Than Davis?
Adam's Web ^ | 08/07/2003 | Adam Graham

Posted on 08/07/2003 11:29:21 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt

Worse than Davis?

Reverend Lou Sheldon sent out the following press release:

Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition, said today Arnold Schwarzenegger would create a "moral vacuum" in Sacramento if he became California's governor.

"As Governor, Mr. Schwarzenegger would be a darker villain than any he has faced in his movies. And when it comes to the moral issues that Californians really care about - he gives us inaction not action....

"It is hard to imagine a worse governor than Gray Davis but Mr. Schwarzenegger would be it. California has enough problems without adding a Governor Schwarzenegger to the mix."

First, would Arnold create a moral vacuum in Sacramento? No, you can't create what's already there. Between Gray Davis and the California legislature, they've done nearly everything for the abortionists, for the Gay Rights movement, and for the transgender movement that can conceivably done, aside from legalizing gay marriage which was banned by Proposition 22.

Yes, Arnold will fail to address moral issues, but given the make-up of the legislature, so will most other candidates. No one has abortion or stopping the gay agenda at the top of their agenda. The best candidate in the race (Senator McClintock) is a pro-life conservative, but will be fully focused on economic issues if elected.

Will Arnold be worse than Gray Davis? Absolutely not. Parris Glendenning was not worse than Gray Davis. Hardly any governor in American history who has not been convicted of a crime of corruption would be worse than Davis. To allege that Arnold would be worst is absurd. He may be as bad in many ways, but overall he'll be better, but not by much.

The question for us to ask is who should Conservatives vote for? From a National perspective, as an out of state party leader (Secretary of a County GOP), it does not matter. If Arnold wins or if a conservative such as McClintock or Simon win. I'll be no safer, no better off, or worse off depending on the outcome. If a Republican wins, California is put into play in 2004 for Bush, Big Mo' slips away from the Democrats, and things are looking pretty for 2004. Even if Davis is recalled and Bustamante elected, a Democratic governor will have been recalled and his Democratic successor elected with around 23% of the vote. Either way, it's a win-win situation. It's as if Clinton were impeached and Gore became president. The stench of disgrace would carry over. So as long as Davis is recalled, it does not matter who wins.

If I lived in California, I'd have a different perspective. If you've never worked your tail off to get signatures, you won't understand. But if I had thrown myself into this recall effort, there is no way on Earth I'd back the Terminator. If they knew that their efforts would do nothing more than lead to the election of a RINO of the first degree, how many recall backers would have bothered to go out at all?

Where was Arnold during the Winter and Spring, as activists he disdains labored to end the corrupt reign of Grey Davis? Where was his support prior to the recall's certification becoming a certainty? This sunshine friend of the recall movement, this political opportunist will be its beneficiary. I would not stand for it.

I would not be lead astray by the establishment arguments, the standard calls to surrender to the establishment candidate in the name of winning. I would instead look at reality:

Liberals and Moderates are divided between Arnold, Bustamante, Larry Flynt, Arianna Huffington, and John Garamendi.

Conservatives are Divided between Arnold, Tom McClintock (and maybe Bill Simon).

If Conservatives would decide to support a candidate who actually believes in the Republican platform, then he could win. Lest we forget, Bill Simon was almost elected governor in 2002. If conservatives don't back McClintock, they'll get a Governor with an "R" by his name who who hates their guts, and does not respect their values or beliefs. Of course, many claim that "later" they'll elect a conservative, but will they really? Will California's conservatives ever have to the guts to vote for one of their own or will they constantly back the RINOs who despise them and view them as the problem with this Party. What we know of human nature, tells us that when we start making decisions based not on what we love, but what we fear, it will never stop. The idea that not voting for Arnold will defeat the recall is absurd. Davis will be recalled, no matter who wins the ballot for his replacement. Davis is toast. If Arnold's going to win, it will be with the votes of moderates, independents, and first time voters. Conservatives support shouldn't be necessary.

Of course, I don't live in California. The issue remains in the hands of Californians whether to stand up for what they believe or capitulate to a man who views them as a shameful embarrassment.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; arnold; billsimon; homosexualagenda; lousheldon; mcclintock4governor; rino; saynotorinos; schwarzenegger; tommcclintock; tvc
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1 posted on 08/07/2003 11:29:21 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt
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To: Keyes2000mt
Sure we should work to elect Tom McClintock. The only way to make Arnold honest is to have a real conservative in the race. It will force Arnold to be more than a sunshine opportunist and to tell Californians where he stands on the issues. If he doesn't and looks like an empty suit, then McClintock will gain ground. Either way, we win.
2 posted on 08/07/2003 11:33:54 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Keyes2000mt
If you've never worked your tail off to get signatures, you won't understand. But if I had thrown myself into this recall effort, there is no way on Earth I'd back the Terminator. If they knew that their efforts would do nothing more than lead to the election of a RINO of the first degree, how many recall backers would have bothered to go out at all?

Where was Arnold during the Winter and Spring, as activists he disdains labored to end the corrupt reign of Grey Davis? Where was his support prior to the recall's certification becoming a certainty? This sunshine friend of the recall movement, this political opportunist will be its beneficiary. I would not stand for it.

I would not be lead astray by the establishment arguments, the standard calls to surrender to the establishment candidate in the name of winning.

BAM! My angst with SchwarzenRINO in a nutshell. Well said.

-Jay

3 posted on 08/07/2003 11:35:51 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Steamroll the RINOs -- Vote for Tom McClintock! -- http://www.tommcclintock.com/)
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To: Keyes2000mt
I guess we should elect Alan Keyes as Governor of California, then.

By the way, I gave Keyes money to run in the 2000 election, and he utterly failed to make even a plausibly serious effort to win the job. Who do I talk to for a refund?
4 posted on 08/07/2003 11:37:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Objects in post may be more clever than they first appear)
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To: Keyes2000mt
So as long as Davis is recalled, it does not matter who wins.

"Gentlemen! We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs!

Hey!...... I didn't get a harumph out of that guy!

5 posted on 08/07/2003 11:37:48 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Keyes2000mt
To allege that Arnold would be worst is absurd. He may be as bad in many ways, but overall he'll be better, but not by much.

Who writes this slop?

Of course, I don't live in California. The issue remains in the hands of Californians

It's obvious you don't live here. Compared to Gray Davis, Schwarzenegger is a member of the vast right wing conspiracy.

6 posted on 08/07/2003 11:44:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Is this guy for real?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The liberals are putting out that nazi stuff and its a sign they are far from sure Arnold's with them.
7 posted on 08/07/2003 11:46:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"It's obvious you don't live here. Compared to Gray Davis, Schwarzenegger is a member of the vast right wing conspiracy."

Based on how he's being attacked by the left wing today I'd say you are 100% right !

8 posted on 08/07/2003 11:50:50 PM PDT by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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To: Keyes2000mt
Great read...and if you disagree & vote again for the lesser then you get the government that we have had. Tom could not have gotten the pubbie primary vote but now we have that ability to elect the best statesman on the ballot. On a personal basis money does not by happiness. Cleaning up the budget mess but leaving behind social conservative issues will not buy us & Caifornians true happiness. Not attacking the ILLEGAL issue will NOT bring fiscal stability to this state. Arnold is NOT the salvation. End of story.
9 posted on 08/07/2003 11:53:54 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I agree with you Joe. This is slop. Arnold would be worse than Gray Davis? Such statements are absurd on its face. Sigh.
10 posted on 08/08/2003 12:14:27 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
My favorite from the 'stealth Keysters' advocating McClintock whilst smearing Arnold:

"We'll do to Arnold what we did to Riordan." HA!

Got rid of Riordan which gave us Simon who gave us Davis.

BYW, no less of a true conservative than US Congressman David Drier is vociferously supporting Arnold.
11 posted on 08/08/2003 12:21:28 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Keyes2000mt
Arnold Schwarzenegger would create a "moral vacuum" in Sacramento if he became California's governor.

California is a moral vacuum, the fact that Arnold is straight makes him seem queer.

12 posted on 08/08/2003 1:17:20 AM PDT by The Brush
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To: Keyes2000mt
There is no reason why Scharzenegger should be considered a conservative. Very little reason to consider him a Republican.

He's a trojan horse in the GOP. He has the values and ideas of a Dim. And he is a political dilettante.
13 posted on 08/08/2003 1:39:15 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
>> "And he is a political dilettante." <<

I don't think you can say that about Arnold. He is just entering politics in a big way. His record is that he has entered three different careers in the past, and he has been totally committed and anything but a dilettante in each of them.

I expect that he will put 100% into this now that he has decided to do it. That is Arnold's way.
14 posted on 08/08/2003 2:05:53 AM PDT by sd-joe
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To: sd-joe
He's a Democrat in every meaningful way.

I consider him a trojan horse for a very liberal agenda. You might welcome that but I don't.

Despite the current hoopla, he's still no shoo-in. Personally, I hope he's defeated. He's already said a lot of generally stupid things ("I'm too rich to be bought by special interests" ala Ross Perot) but has made a great many anti-conservative and anti-religious remarks in the past.

Rush pegged him about right yesterday. No reason for any conservative or even any except the most liberal of Republicans to welcome him. And sneaking into a race like this instead of running in a general election doesn't speak that well of him. He's an opportunist, like another expatriate Austrian was some decades back.
15 posted on 08/08/2003 2:17:49 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
You may or may not be right about Arnold's positions, but you are throwing around pejorative verbiage in an irresponsible way.

One of your initial points was that he was a dilettante. This is just not true. He is anything but.

You hit on him for "sneaking" into a race. Sneaking. He has had the most public entry of any politician that I can think of. You want him to wait for a general election just to establish some sort of political purity. That is just silly. Did McClintock run in the last general election for Gov?

"like another expatriate Austrian" Oh nice, play the Nazi card. This is just irresponsible.
16 posted on 08/08/2003 2:51:29 AM PDT by sd-joe
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To: thoughtomator
First, I would kindly suggest that you read back to the year 2000 and you'll see that people accused Keyes of trying too hard to win and that in the process he was hurting Bush.

Now he was either trying too hard or not hard enough. He certainly wasn't doing both.He made a serious effort to win, but the party was seized by McCainaphobia.

Second, Keyes has nothing to do with this thread. My nick simply reflects that I was the State Coordinator for his 2000 campaign in this state.

17 posted on 08/08/2003 6:47:30 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt
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To: KC_Conspirator
That came from Lou Sheldon. It was a quote from him which I disagree with.
18 posted on 08/08/2003 6:49:43 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt
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To: Keyes2000mt
Practical Politics 101: McClintock, Simon and Riordan should all follow Issa's very wise lead and step away. With their support, Arnold will not only win but by a convincing majority. He'll win even without their support, but the appearance of Republican unity would be a rare and refreshing change in California.
19 posted on 08/08/2003 6:52:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: onyx
"We'll do to Arnold what we did to Riordan." HA!

Got rid of Riordan which gave us Simon who gave us Davis

Now you're blaming Alan Keyes for Bill Simon winning the primary? I also hate to point this out to you, but if McClintock comes out on top, there's no primary or challenge from the Dems. He's won outright.

BTW, when I think of Conservative warriors and David Drier, I realize they don't belong in the same sentence. Drier may vote conservative in Congress but doesn't have much in terms of "true grit".

20 posted on 08/08/2003 6:56:22 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt
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