[LiteKeeper]

All I can say is AMEN!

[lentulusgracchus]

Perhaps holiness, like the word "is" during the Clinton administration, depends on what one means at a given moment.

.....and to whom one means it, and about whom, and when. Context, after all, is everything to a liberal. It is the grammatical and semiotic keystone of liberal Newspeak.

"Don't worry about what the Bible says: just listen to me."

[Reagan Man]

"If you're a heterosexual clergyman and you're having sex outside marriage, you can be expelled. But if you're a homosexual clergyman having sex outside marriage, they rejoice."

Another direct blow to human morality.

[Cultural Jihad]

If a practicing homosexual priest who divorced his wife and walked out on his children is deemed a fit leader for the Episcopal Church, members are going to have to ask themselves a serious question: Does their denomination represent the will of their God and, if not, why don't they abandon a church that has clearly abandoned Him?

Amen.

[MelBelle]

Thanks for the post. I left the Episcopal church 7 years ago and am currently attending an Assemblys of God Church - oh how refreshing!!

[longtermmemmory]

Where do democrats go to church?

[Mike Darancette]

The Protestant Hymnal standard, "Faith of Our Fathers" has no meaning for these people.

[polemikos]

Anyone know Cal's religious affiliation?

[man of Yosemite]

If a person knows God, then he also should know when God has left the building. The question he must then ask is "Why am I still here?" The lampstand is gone from the Episcopal Church, but there are plenty of other churches where it remains.

[Cindy]

JESUS DEFINES MARRIAGE: "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore, they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." -from THE BIBLE: Matthew 19:4-6

COVENANT NEWS.com: "ABOMINATIONS"

The latest edition of THE CULTURE AND FAMILY REPORT is online for your perusal!

STRAIGHT TALK FROM THE BIBLE: "SEXUAL SINS"

[Steely Glint]

RIP, the Episcopal Church. Committed ethical suicide, 2003.

[SerpentDove]

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

(2 Peter 2, NIV)

[defeat_the_dem_igods]

Another direct blow to human morality.

And to human mortality.

It's all about perpetuation of the species, to which gays (biologically) cannot contribute.

[dyed_in_the_wool]

Paul the Apostle wrote to his young protege Timothy that an "overseer" (or minister) must be "above reproach, the husband of one wife," and "must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect." Paul then asks an important question: "If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?" (1 Timothy 3:2-5)

All the funnier because Paul was gay.

[George W. Bush]

Cal Thomas frames the issue quite well.

I'm getting a strong feeling that the sodomite bishop and his supporters are going to get away with it. I don't think there's going to be any schism. The Episcopalians will become the opening wedge of absolute opposition to scripture in the Anglican Communion.

[T-Bird45]

In what is regarded by most Christians as the job description for high church office, Paul the Apostle wrote to his young protege Timothy that an "overseer" (or minister) must be "above reproach, the husband of one wife," and "must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect."

When using the original Greek, the translation in this passage from Timothy is more correctly "elder" or "bishop", not "minister". The Greek word for minister is diakonos and is brought to English as "deacon", an entirely different office in the church from "elder". The Scriptural requirements for both offices require the incumbent to be male and properly lead his family in spiritual matters.

[johnb838]

why don't they abandon a church that has clearly abandoned Him?

Because... Our Church is not really a top-down organization. It is more of a loose confederation of Dioceses and Parishes that may go their separate ways.

I still like my parish. I'm not ready to leave. If I become disillusioned with my parish, for example if we start electing openly gay men to the vestry, I will probably leave. If I leave, I will probably not seek another Episcopal church to be my church home. I will probably get flamed for this but it is my thinking at this time.

[scripter]

Does their denomination represent the will of their God and, if not, why don't they abandon a church that has clearly abandoned Him?

Thanks for the ping. Excellent question. Our small-town newspaper had a front page article on this, and how most of the locals are very upset with the direction their church has taken.

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[N. Theknow]

On Sunday mornings from the second week in September to the first week in June, I assist and sometimes deliver the homily at a special service in our Episcopal church. The service is for boys from 5th through 9th grades who are boarding school students at a school across the street from the church that was founded by a former Rector of our church in the 1920's.

The special service was instituted when my Sunday School class, which met during the regular church service, grew from 25 the first year to 83 the fifth year. This is now the 6th year of the special service and attendance is usually over 125.

I now find myself in a predicament as to what to say to these boys. They can be punished or kicked out of school for breaking any of God's laws, no matter how regretful they are after the fact. But now a practicing, non-repentant homosexual is elevated to Episcopal Bishop by an unapologetic Convention of Bishops of the Church that encourages them to submit to God and not man.

[apackof2]

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