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Red Hat Attacks, SCO Counter Attacks
Linux Today ^ | 5 August 2003 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 08/06/2003 8:18:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce

On August 5th, Red Hat finally told The SCO Group and the world that they weren't going to take SCO's anti-Linux FUD anymore in a law suit filed in Delaware federal court against SCO. Reading from a prepared statement, Mark Webbink, Red Hat's general counsel said, "We filed this complaint to stop SCO from making unsubstantiated and untrue public statements attacking Red Hat Linux and the integrity of the open-source software development process." SCO isn't taking this lying down.

SCO vehemently denies that they're spreading FUD. Instead, CEO and president Darl McBride claims that "We have been educating end users on the risks of running an operating system that is an unauthorized derivative of Unix." McBride adds that "We have been showing a portion of this code (which SCO claims has been stolen from Unix System V and placed in Linux) since early June." He does not mention, however, that these code samples are only available after signing a non-disclosure agreement (NDA).

That may be SCO's take on it, but Red Hat's second compliant in their suit comes right out and says, "SCO's (IP) claims are not true, and are solely designed to create an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty and doubt about Linux."

Red Hat is taking SCO to court on seven counts. The heart of the suit though, Red Hat CEO Matthew Szulik said at LinuxWorld was: "We have asked the courts to declare that no violations of intellectual property and trade secrets have occurred. We've been patient, we've listened. But when our customers and the whole open-source community are threatened with innuendo and rumor, it's time to act."

SCO's first response to Red Hat came in an August 4th note to investors that tries to show, via a letter on July 31st from Bob Bench, SCO CFO, to Webbink, which was never actually sent, that SCO had been trying for a peaceful resolution with Linux distributors. "We had expected the possibility of a global resolution of SCO's intellectual property claims against all Linux-related companies that would have likely included Red Hat. This effort has apparently stalled, through no fault of SCO." At today SCO's press conference, McBride added that such talks had been going on with several Linux companies, but these had come to nothing and that no current discussions are now on-going.

In a letter sent on August 4th to Matthew Szulik, after Red Hat sued SCO, McBride wrote that he was surprised by Red Hat's legal action, "I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions with SCO about the problems inherent in Linux." And, "Of course, we will prepare our legal response as required by your complaint. Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy."

McBride ends his note with, "I must say that your decision to file legal action does not seem conductive to the long-term survivability of Linux."

SCO seemed surprised by this move, but it's hard to see how they could be. SCO had been telling Red Hat's, and other Linux vendors, customers for months that they were running Linux illegally. And, further, SCO had directly threatened business Linux end-users with legal action on July 21st.

As Dan Kusnetzky, IDC vice president for system software research, says, "I was expecting someone to make this move. By SCO going to the media rather than a court, it was only a matter of time that someone would take the move of trying to legally force SCO to show the Linux community what they've been complaining about." He adds, "After Eben Moglen's paper (Questioning SCO) appeared, it was only a matter of time before someone took SCO to court."

During the press conference, McBride also said, "Red Hat claims that SCO is at fault for Red Hat's loss of business. We believe it's not our fault. We believe Red Hat is losing business because Red Hat has a faulty business model and that the business model's real problem is that it based around distributing Linux under the General Public License (GPL)."

Thomas C. Carey, a partner at of the Boston IP and business law firm Bromberg & Sunstein and chairman of the firm's Business Practice Group, thinks Red Hat has a very good case. "Assuming for the moment that SCO is off-base in its allegations, this complaint is enough to rock SCO to its foundations." Still, "A lot will depend upon the vigor with which the matter is pursued. My presumption is that the suit is serious and will be pursued with full force."

But Carey warns, "SCO is in some danger even if its allegations are correct, simply because SCO has put everyone in an impossible position. What can they (a Linux distributor or end-user) do if they don't know which code is infringing? If, to that unfairness, you add a conclusion that SCO has its facts wrong, then SCO's liability to Red Hat and others could be very substantial. And if SCO knows (or should know) that its facts are wrong, then you can kiss the company good-bye."

Last, but far from least, Carey thinks that there's "a potential securities fraud action is buried within the pleadings. Red Hat speaks of Canopy Group (SCO's primary owner) having raked in millions in cash since the start of this affair. Red Hat notes that its own stock price has declined 20% in a month. This is the stuff of securities lawsuits. Red Hat could amend its claims to include a securities law claim, or another law firm could bring a class action lawsuit against SCO on behalf of selling Red Hat shareholders who have been harmed by the low price they get. Finally, it is conceivable that the SEC or the Justice Department could take an interest in this, viewing it as market manipulation."

Be that as it may, it's still full speed ahead for SCO. SCO also announced today the availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License for Linux. Contrary to earlier comments from SCO, SCO is not requiring business Linux 2.4 and 2.5 users to buy UnixWare or a license to use UnixWare. Instead, this run-time license permits the use of SCO's intellectual property (IP), in binary form only, as contained in Linux distributions. SCO also claims that because the SCO license authorizes run-time use only, customers will also comply with the Linux's GPL.

This seems to disagree with Eben Moglen, professor of law at Columbia University and counsel to the Free Software Foundation, position who states: "Those who have received Linux under one license are not required to take another license simply because SCO wishes the license it has already been using had different terms." In short, "I don't see how SCO can get around the fact that they gave people GPL Linux."

The new license's cost is also likely to stop many customers from buying SCO's arguments unless a company is especially worried about SCO's legal claims. SCO introductory IP license price for a single CPU system will be $699 through October 15th 2003, after which it will climb to $1,399.

By comparison, the list price of Microsoft's Server 2003 is $1,299 for a single processor system with ten users. SCO's pricing for multiple CPU systems, single CPU add-ons, desktop systems and embedded systems, according to Chris Sontag, senior vice president and general manager of SCO Source, will be along these same lines. The SCO IP License for Linux is a one time license with no need for annual renewal.

It's also not clear why SCO is also asking for license payment for single processor, desktop and embedded systems. You see, SCO has been claiming that its IP rights have been violated in the areas of advanced enterprise level capabilities such as Symmetric Multi-Processing (SMP), Remote Copy Update (RCU) and Non-Uniform Memory Access (NUMA) not in basic end-user Linux code or functionality.

Regardless, McBride finished his press conference with saying that Red Hat and others have been playing "shell game going on with Linux legal liability." Further, trying to take the moral high ground, McBride said that "the real issue is whether intellectual property rights have any value in the age of the Internet" and that Linux companies are making 'don't ask, don't tell' software. And, finally, that while SCO doesn't want to after end-users, in the end, if they have to, "we will go after end-users."

The SCO vs. the Linux world cold war has just gotten several degrees hotter.


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1 posted on 08/06/2003 8:18:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; TechJunkYard; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dominic Harr; Bush2000; Nick Danger; ...
Tech Ping for the grist mill
2 posted on 08/06/2003 8:20:07 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Rather than start a vanity, maybe I can get my answers here...

I'd like to run a duel boot of linux and my current Win2000. Where do I start? What flavor is best for a midlevel newbie to Linux (I've worked with Unix a few years back, so I am somewhat familiar with vi, and shells, and mounting FS's).

Eventually (when I get all the apps I need in Linux working) I'd like to ditch MS altogher.

3 posted on 08/06/2003 8:27:58 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: ShadowAce
Emailed to my brother-in-law he is a big Linux fan. He despises Microsoft.


4 posted on 08/06/2003 8:31:59 AM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just to be safe, everyone should purchase and install Microsoft Windows on their computer.
5 posted on 08/06/2003 8:34:19 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
LOL!!
6 posted on 08/06/2003 8:35:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: StatesEnemy
F*** LINUX!,it's way OVER HYPED!

I have battled with red hat 7 & 9,also mandrake,best results were with a CD only install of Vector,or Knoppix Linux Boots/Runs from CD

Buy a MAC!

I can see it used if pre installed on Lindows $200 PC,like wal mart sells,for 3d world ctys or just cheap ,simple use but no way is it going to be a threat to Mac or windoze for masses!
!
7 posted on 08/06/2003 8:39:20 AM PDT by wiseone
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To: Incorrigible
Quote of the day!!! ~ROFL~

8 posted on 08/06/2003 8:41:25 AM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
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To: StatesEnemy
I'd suggest a second HDD and put RedHat or Mandrake on it. both are very good Distros and very friendly for people who are new to Linux. Mandrake is especially tooled for newer users and generally conceals the shell in favor of the GUI.

Also consider finding a local Linux User Group and ask them when they are having an installfest. Most LUGs are great to newbies and will even give you a set of CDROMs with your distro.

9 posted on 08/06/2003 8:43:44 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: wiseone
I'd agree that a Mac is the best way to go. But supporting Linux supports Mac in a back-handed way, given that that OS/X is built upon BSD. :) So you can have your cake and eat it too...
10 posted on 08/06/2003 8:46:53 AM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
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To: StatesEnemy
I've found the best way to dual boot is to install Windows first. Partition with MS tools and Install Windows on the first partition of your boot drive. After that is done install Linux on the second one. Microsoft's boot loader for some mysterious reason I cannot fathom does not play nice with Linux partitions. So, it's better to install Linux after a working Windows install is in place. Modern Linux installs will detect your Windows partition and automatically set up an option to boot from it. You can also use System Commander as your boot manager. SC is a commercial product that costs about $50 that will let you boot various operating systems.
11 posted on 08/06/2003 8:49:00 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: ShadowAce
This is exactly the kind of news that helps the suits (i.e., CIOs, CFOs, CTOs and CEOs) justify their (perceived) risk-averse, Microsoft decisions.
12 posted on 08/06/2003 8:50:01 AM PDT by pt17
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To: wiseone
"I have battled with red hat 7 & 9,also mandrake..."

Sounds dramatic!

Seriesly, what problems did you have? "Battled with" isn't very specific.

If you are on a Mac, you are likely running OSX, which runs on a Mach kernel, so you might want to refrain from bashing the *nix and Posix family too loud.

13 posted on 08/06/2003 8:50:34 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: ShadowAce
"We have been educating end users on the risks of running an operating system that is an unauthorized derivative of Unix. McBride adds...

Not Linux, but unauthorized derivative of Unix. Look out Free BSD, you're next!

14 posted on 08/06/2003 8:50:55 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: ShadowAce

It should not be missed that by taking this action pre-emptively, instead of waiting for SCO to sue it, Red Hat has chosen the venue. The issue of whether SCO's copyright claims are valid will be decided by a jury in Delaware, not Utah.

Because of the huge number of corporations chartered in Delaware (as both SCO and Red Hat are), the federal court there does business disputes for a living. Some lawyers even refer to the federal district court in Delaware as "Corp Court." This court is not a good place for the grandstanding maneuvers that characterize David Boies' practice of law. This is a court where serious lawyers are expected to come and take care of business quickly and efficiently.

Watch for more of these lawsuits in other countries. Most countries do not allow the kind of public trashing of other people's business that SCO has been doing here in the U.S.

Germany has already ordered SCO not to make any more such claims there, under penalty of $250K per occurrence. SuSE, the 'Red Hat of Europe', can be expected to file similar suits throught the EU, and to win most of them at speeds that David Boies has never seen from a court. Each such win will also involve damage claims, for SuSE (and in fact Red Hat) can make the same sort of charges that have been made in this suit by Red Hat. SCO derives 48% of its revenue from outside the U.S.; choking off this revenue stream to satisfy damage claims would put a serious crimp in SCO's war chest.

SCO will probably be facing similar lawsuits in six to ten countries within the month. They can either spend the money to defend themselves, or forfeit their business in each country (as they have done in Germany). In two months, there could already be judgements against SCO in Australia, Japan, Poland, Germany, France, the UK, and Denmark. Each one will take a bite out of SCO's treasury, and stop the flow of revenue from that country.

Mr. McBride will undoubedly continue with his Mullah Omar act, promising us Oceans of Blood and Seas of Fire, but his game is almost over.


15 posted on 08/06/2003 8:55:43 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The views expressed may not actually be views)
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To: =Intervention=
"...supporting Linux supports Mac in a back-handed way..."

True, in fact, he really should be more concerned because IF a court is stupid enough to side with SCO, Apple could eventually be targeted. I'm sure SCO would like to target the Mach and BSD kernels as well. This means OSX eventually is in the crosshairs.

16 posted on 08/06/2003 8:55:52 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: wiseone
Just out of curiosity, are you an end user, or are you actually in IT, familiar with the myriad of peripheral issues with an OS besides the initial install?

I've been in IT for close to 15 years and I can tell you that many smaller businesses are waiting for this legal mess to be over so they can migrate to Linux when MS finally decides to cut off NT.

There's no way Linux will ever touch the Mac market, but then, the Mac is essentially a niche anyway. I'd disagree that Linux will ever threaten "windoze for the masses". Quite frankly, most home users only use a browser. If it weren't for gaming, Linux would be a perfect choice. Although I'm fond of Win2k, I've found ME to be a disaster and XP to be not much better. Unless MS starts producing some better products or at better prices, a good business argument can be made for switching over to Linux, definitely on the server level, and probably at the workstation level. A lot of the resistance is due to MS's entrenched status in the market - Exchange and SQL servers are two good examples, but for the standard file/print/net access, web servers, etc. Linux is more than competitive on performance and (comparing other new software) very reasonably priced.

You'd likely be surprised at the number of businesses still running NT. When they see the fees MS will charge to force them to upgrade to whatever MS will call the next server OS, a lot of them will give a long hard look at Linux and many will switch. Once its on the servers, the desktops are just a step away. Right now, there's a cost to migrate to any OS and NT is doing just fine. Once MS forces that base to migrate, I predict you'll see a lot of businesses move to Linux.

Just MHO.
17 posted on 08/06/2003 8:58:55 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: ShadowAce
SCO was looking to shakedown quite a few companies or get bought. I think at this point, when all is said and done, SCO will cease to exist within a few years (their lawsuit with IBM takes place in 2005 I believe).
18 posted on 08/06/2003 9:06:34 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: wiseone
I can see it used if pre installed on Lindows $200 PC,like wal mart sells,for 3d world ctys or just cheap ,simple use but no way is it going to be a threat to Mac or windoze for masses!

That's not the only market for Linux. I'm running a 32-node Linux cluster with parallel DB2, Parallel Batch System, X-CAT, a parallel file system and other high-performance goodies. Try doing any of that with MacOS or Windows.

19 posted on 08/06/2003 10:06:41 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
That sounds like a pretty intense setup. What do you use it for?
20 posted on 08/06/2003 12:02:27 PM PDT by babyface00
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