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Jefferson Davis: beyond a statue-tory matter
The Courier-Journal ^ | July 27, 2003 | Bill Cunningham

Posted on 07/27/2003 5:08:19 PM PDT by thatdewd

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:46:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The writer is a circuit judge who lives in Kuttawa, Ky.

KUTTAWA, Ky. - The Courier Journal, at the behest of its columnist John David Dyche, has called for the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue in the rotunda of the Kentucky State Capitol. Such a supposedly politically correct viewpoint reflects a shallow, selective and even hypocritical understanding of history.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: constitution; dixie; dixielist; independence; secession; statue; wbts
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To: nolu chan
Perhaps the clause in the Lincoln note you found could be read that a blockade, and act of international law between separate countries, would be an admission that the South was a separate nation, so he proclaimed the ports closed instead of blockaded. However, he must have changed his mind a few days later because he blockaded the ports with the April 19, 1861, proclamation below.

Interestingly, I think in the Prize cases the Supreme Court ruled that the war began with this April 19th presidential proclamation some days after Fort Sumter, even though the Constitution says that Congress is the one that declares war, not the President. A minority of the court felt that the war didn't start until July 1861, when Congress acted. Most people, of course, consider the firing on Fort Sumter to be the start of the war, but not the Court.

Jefferson Davis recognized Lincoln's April 15, 1861, proclamation calling for 75,000 troops as the declaration of war. (Source: Message of Davis to the Confederate Congress on April 29, 1861)

Here's the April 19th blockade proclamation:

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

A PROCLAMATION:

Whereas an insurrection against the Government of the United States has broken out in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, and

the laws of the United States for the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed therein comformably to that provision of the Constitution which requires duties to be uniform throughout the United States:

And whereas a combination of persons engaged in such insurrection, have threatened to grant pretended letters of marque to authorize the bearers thereof to commit assaults on the lives, vessels, and property of good citizens of the country lawfully engaged in commerce on the high seas, and in waters of the United States: And whereas an Executive Proclamation has been already issued, requiring the persons engaged in these disorderly proceedings to desist therefrom, calling out a militia force for the purpose of repressing the same, and convening Congress in extraordinary session, to deliberate and determine thereon:

Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, with a view to the same purposes before mentioned, and to the protection of the public peace, and the lives and property of quiet and orderly citizens pursuing their lawful occupations, until Congress shall have assembled and deliberated on the said unlawful proceedings, or until the same shall ceased, have further deemed it advisable to set on foot a blockade of the ports within the States aforesaid, in pursuance of the laws of the United States, and of the law of Nations, in such case provided. For this purpose a competent force will be posted so as to prevent entrance and exit of vessels from the ports aforesaid. If, therefore, with a view to violate such blockade, a vessel shall approach, or shall attempt to leave either of the said ports, she will be duly warned by the Commander of one of the blockading vessels, who will endorse on her register the fact and date of such warning, and if the same vessel shall again attempt to enter or leave the blockaded port, she will be captured and sent to the nearest convenient port, for such proceedings against her and her cargo as prize, as may be deemed advisable.

And I hereby proclaim and declare that if any person, under the pretended authority of the said States, or under any other pretense, shall molest a vessel of the United States, or the persons or cargo on board of her, such person will be held amenable to the laws of the United States for the prevention and punishment of piracy.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this nineteenth day of April, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-fifth.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

By the President:

WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State

581 posted on 08/15/2003 8:56:47 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Non-Sequitur
Do you buy in to this as well?

Buy into what? Grotius answers himself:

From the Jewish, as well as the Roman Law, it appears that any one might engage himself in private servitude to whom he pleased. Now if an individual may do so, why may not a whole people, for the benefit of better government and more certain protection, completely transfer their sovereign rights to one or more persons, without reserving any portion to themselves? Neither can it be alleged that such a thing is not to be presumed, for the question is not, what is to be presumed in a doubtful case, but what may lawfully be done. Nor is it any more to the purpose to object to the inconveniences, which may, and actually do arise from a people's thus surrendering their rights. For it is not in the power of man to devise any form of government free from imperfections and dangers. As a dramatic writer says, I you must either take these advantages with those imperfections, or resign your pretensions to both."

Now as there are different ways of, living, some of a worse, and some of a better kind, left to the choice of every individual; so a nation, "under certain circumstances, WHEN for instance, the succession to the throne is extinct, or the throne has by any other means become vacant," may chuse what form of government she pleases. Nor is this right to be measured by the excellence of this or that form of government, on which there may be varieties of opinion, but by the will of the people.


582 posted on 08/15/2003 9:34:14 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: rustbucket
Lincoln declared the ports closed on April 11, 1865, about four years after the original announcement of a blockade on April 19, 1861.

Just before the war ended, Lincoln waved a magic wand and changed the four year old blockade (an international act) into a closing of the ports (a national act).

583 posted on 08/15/2003 10:06:40 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
Oops. Missed the date. Thanks.
584 posted on 08/15/2003 10:13:17 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: nolu chan
Trust a liberal troll to develop some psychological attachment to good old Tom, a worthless wife-beating, child-beating, drunken bum.

Then, taking a page from the Lincoln and Clinton family bibles, I ought to marry late, have a vasectomy, let my wife layabout with whomever she liked -- but preferably a real alley cat, maybe an underpass wino with a roving eye -- and produce a blanketful of bastards, and then beat them all regularly until the kids were grown. Then I could be assured a posterity of greatness.

Sound like a plan?

585 posted on 08/29/2003 4:59:26 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
[lg] maybe an underpass wino

Lincoln as a Whig supported Democrat Trumbull when it was politically expedient for him to do so. Did that make him a WINO?

[lg] Then, taking a page from the Lincoln and Clinton family bibles

That must be this bible LINK

[lg] Then I could be assured a posterity of greatness. Sound like a plan?

You are on your way!

586 posted on 08/29/2003 7:48:18 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: sweetliberty
Hey Sweet! You may already be on this thread, but just in case...I thought your wonderful Southern voice should be heard here. That is if you can stomach the garbage coming from some (Grand Old Partison -- UGH!)

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587 posted on 08/29/2003 9:00:08 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (PROUD TO BE A COPPERHEAD!!!!!!!)
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To: nolu chan
Anton LaVey.......what a stinker! In my 20's I read the introduction to his Satanic Bible, and that's the only stink I knew him by; but apparently he was a greater stink still, and of an odor of fabrication what whiffs of Billy Jeff Clinton, the Hot Springs rapist.
588 posted on 08/30/2003 12:00:06 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: viaveritasvita
"That is if you can stomach the garbage coming from some"

The usual suspects I suppose. There are a few anti-southern trolls that just can't resist these kinds of threads. Apparently many yankees went on to become liberals once that first big step in overriding the Constitution was successfully taken.

I wasn't on the thread and really don't have the time right now to read it. I am in Colorado this week. This is the first opportunity I have had to check in. There was a death in the family so I have been busy. Will try to look at it when I get home later in the week.

589 posted on 08/31/2003 7:29:03 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

Classic troll bump


590 posted on 10/22/2010 1:03:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: mojitojoe

2001, not 2003. Keep looking.


591 posted on 10/22/2010 3:10:05 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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