Freeper Grassroots Movement to Re-Elect Bush

July 24, 2003 | nwrep

[nwrep]

I want to kick off a grass-roots movement to educate and inform discerning Democrats about the real nature of their party and am soliciting suggestions from Freepers. The reasons I am doing this are several, as listed below:

* I have several conservative Democrat friends who have always voted D, but who disagree with the stance of their party on issues like AA, tax-cuts, and regulations.

* These people do not understand that regardless of the "moderate" local Dem candidate they vote for, the party agenda is driven in Congress by an extremely liberal faction of the party.

* Case in point #1: I alerted one friend to Rep. Rangel's remarks about the death of Hussein's sons yesterday (Rangel said it was "illegal" for the US to kill them). The friend said he disagreed with Rangel, and the majority of the Dems would similarly disagree with the Congressman. I asked this friend if he knew who Rangel was. He had never heard of him. I informed him coolly that if the Dem regain the House, Rangel would become the Chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Cte., where all spending bills originate, and that he is one of the most influential members of his party in the House. The friend was shocked.

* Case in point #2: I asked another Dem friend what he thought of Kerry. He gave me a canned response about his Vietnam service, etc. I then asked him if he knew about his anti-Vietnam war stance. He said he did not, but that his parents (lifelong Dem voters like himself) hated Jane Fonda and everything she stood for. I then forwarded him the NewsMax expose of Kerr's Vietnam stance, his anti-war book, his rallies with Fonda and Ramsey Clark, and his statement to the US Senate in 1971. After reading all that, he said he was disgusted, and would forward it to his mother. He conceded that if Kerry were to be the nominee, he would vote for Bush.

* The problem is that these Dem voters are blissfully unaware of the voting records of their candidates and representatives. All they go by are finely crafted campaign statements issued during the last few weeks before the election where they pay homage to FDR, Truman and JFK. As a result, these dopey Dem voters (like my friends and their parents) continue voting for these candidates thinking they are voting for FDR/JFK-like candidates.

We need to educate these people and keep them as well informed as we Freepers are about the real day to day legislative agenda of the Rat Party. We need to highlight how they continue to vote against the best interest of these conservative, patriotic Democrats (like my friends) and how they continue to display hypocrisy by constantly changing their stance on major issues.

How do we do this?

[Dane]

How do people in the real world usually react when they hear you compare Ashcroft with Himmler? I'll bet you don't talk about that kind of thing with most folks, do you?

They probably don't. Sam is probably a keyboard commando in the bowels of the DNC.

But what the hey, he has tried to whip up animosity against Bush the last few days, and yet in reply #388, he says that he will vote for no one(I.E. a "slick" way to criticize Bush and taking the cowardly demo way out of being publicly "independent").

Sammy is doing the job assigned to him by the DNC the best way he can, and that is to try to take votes away from Bush on FR, since taking a vote away from Bush is a vote for the demo candidate, whoever that may be.

[Scenic Sounds]

Sammy is doing the job assigned to him by the DNC

That's possible, but I know that some folks on the right who view things just as samuel_adams_us says he does. And I think it's best for all of us if folks like that can express their feelings somewhere. ;-)

[Luis Gonzalez]

You know you've been busted don't you?

I was by no means "first"...you were.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Well, you got your answer. It's a "yes". These hypocrites have one agenda.

[justshe]

Add me to the list of those who await an answer.

[Dane]

That's possible, but I know that some folks on the right who view things just as samuel_adams_us says he does. And I think it's best for all of us if folks like that can express their feelings somewhere. ;-)

JMO, those people aren't right per se. They are one of two possibilites. Infinite right wing malcontents or demos disguising themselves as infinite right wing malcontents.

That really isn't germaine though, IMO, their goal(right wing malcontents or demo's disguising themselves as malcontents) is the same and that is to be as negative as possible to peel away votes from Bush, thus giving an ad hoc vote to the demo.

And, IMO, that is what sammy has been trying to do for the last few days.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Bush's statement that marriage is between a man and a woman was the last straw, wasn't it?

[Scenic Sounds]

JMO, those people aren't right per se. They are one of two possibilites. Infinite right wing malcontents or demos disguising themselves as infinite right wing malcontents.

That really isn't germaine though, IMO, their goal(right wing malcontents or demo's disguising themselves as malcontents) is the same and that is to be as negative as possible to peel away votes from Bush, thus giving an ad hoc vote to the demo.

And, IMO, that is what sammy has been trying to do for the last few days.

Well, you could be right. He just seemed so sincere to me, but, you know, I'm pretty gullible so it's hard for me to say.

Maybe he'll come back and clarify things. ;-)

[The Coopster]

And just what do you expect Bush personally to do about it? Run down and slam a big gate shut? Pass legislation (just what we need - more governing) to halt companies from outsourcing?

Your blame of Bush shows just how little you understand about politics. Get on the horn to your representatives, if it's so bad in your area. Get involved. In otherwords, put up, or shut up. No one is impressed by righteous indignation anymore, and in fact - the longer you keep spewing the same ol' same old, the more you'll look like the other fringe party types around here.

[Dane]

Bush's statement that marriage is between a man and a woman was the last straw, wasn't it?

That staement probably did get the bowels of the DNC(where I surmise Sammy works) all rowled up.

[Sabertooth]

The so-called "conservative" complaints against Bush all involve variations on the theme of either "spending too much" (mislabeled as "socialism" by the real hacks), signing a so-called "unconstitutional" Campaign Finance Reform bill, or not militarizing our border with Mexico to shoot illegals on sight.

Those aren't "conservative" issues so much as they are all themes of various levels of paranoid xenophobia and misguided interpretations of what precisely is and is not Constitutional (e.g. the Patriot Act is constitutional, and no one to date has shown a single sentence of its actual legal text that exceeds constitutional authority and mandates).

I think you're exaggerating your case in the first paragraph to the point of charicature.

Bush does spend too much. He's expanding government and proposing new programs far beyond the needs of the WoT and rebuilding the military. He's doing it at a faster rate than Clinton did, and he's doing it with with GOP Congress, which the last I heard, should be fiscally restrained... but they ain't.

CFR is, on it's face, unconstitutional. It only becomes muddied by the earlier Supreme Court decisions upholding the speech-restricting campaign reforms of the Watergate era. The rationale is that Bush didn't veto CFR because the SCOTUS was sure to strike it down, thereby taking a Democraty issue away. Two problems with that strategy... CFR never had political traction with the electorate, despite years of efforts by the Dems and the press to sell it; and nothing is ever a sure thing with the SCOTUS anyway. It's long past time that Bush vetoed something, and his hesitence to do so is ill-advised.

As for the borders, most people don't want to shoot illegals on sight. That's plain nonsense. In fact, most American from both parties have had quite enough of politicians coddling Illegals. That's an issue that naturally should cut for conservatives, if only our politicians had the sense and fortitude to uphold the laws of our land, in compliance with the wishes of the American people. Furthermore, making the Dems defend Illegals is a means by which Republicans can start to shake loose black votes from the Democrat coalition, as some of that captive constituency in the black economic underclass are hurt as much as anyone by the flood of Illegals at the entry rungs of the ladder of class mobility.

All of these issues are conservative issues, and I'm not certain how thinking otherwise does anything to help Republicans win elections, or make our country a better place.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Yes, himmler did do that, Ashcroft just hasn't had enough time in office yet. Give the guy a chance!

Wearing your "Hyperbole Is My Friend" t-shirt today, I see. : )

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

In fairness to Himmler...

Nobody frames a question quite like you do. LOL

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I'm an American.

And I am proud that you are, Luis.

[William Wallace]

You know you've been busted don't you?

I would say "You first,"
but you've already proven yourself to be a liar,
so you can feel free to blow your hot air
all over the forum.
I won't reply to you again, Babs.

The verse need work, but the refrain is catchy:

Brave Sir Gawain ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
Brave, brave, Sir Gawain.

[samuel_adams_us]

No, not at all, I agree with that one hundred percent, married myself with one two year old and one on the way.

[samuel_adams_us]

You're funny, I am not a member of the DNC, a member of free thinking United States, not a shill following the party line and mindless. Try it sometime, you might like it.

[samuel_adams_us]

Clarified, BTW, I am very conservative, to the point that I don't like my tax dollars being used to feed some Indian or Chinese Scumbag who came here and received their education on my tax dollar. I am glad you toe the party line, need a few lemmings like you myself for a cliff jumping coming up here in Nov.

[Scenic Sounds]

You're funny, I am not a member of the DNC, a member of free thinking United States, not a shill following the party line and mindless. Try it sometime, you might like it.

Well, I think if you read my posts again, you might find that I was not the one who suggested you were affiliated with the DNC. I've continued to assume that you're sincere about the views you've shared. ;-)

[samuel_adams_us]

In that case I apologize. To the rest, please read.