MSNBC: Alleged (Kobe Byrant) Victim seen bragging at a party 3 days later

MSNBC.COM ^ | 7/22/03 | MSNBC

[Smogger]

I just saw it on MSNBC. They said she was at a party a week ago, 3 days before Kobe was charged.

They said she was drinking (consumption by a minor) and playing cards, and was bragging about.....(MSNBC took out the audio at the end of sentence)

The story was confirmed by 5 people at separate places and times who were at the party and all gave a similar account of what happened.

When asked how the girl looked, the guy interviewed said she looked happy. Everyone was shocked to see her at the party given the incident.

I think someone may have even asked how hung was Kobe upon which she described with hand gestures. She seemed to be bragging according to a friend, but said she couldn't tell them what happened that night.

This just keeps getting better and better...

[HurkinMcGurkin]

Now it's a vast Laker's conspiracy to slander the this girl...

Why would you doubt that? Do you realize how much money the team recently spent trying to guarantee a championship in the 2003-2004 season? What about their investment in Kobe?

#66 posted to you showed that some of these people claiming to know the acuser really don't know her. Then there are the "anonymous sources". Like I posted before, by the time this gets to trial, the lies told about her will be beyond absurd. I think this will end up hurting Kobe for one, and most likely, 90% of this stuff "dug up" wont even be admissable in court. If there is physical evidence of force, and his testimony doesn't prove to be more credible and have a good explanation, then his career in basketball is over. He knows that. So does the Laker organization.

[newgeezer]

Neal Boortz proposed yesterday ... that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

There are good reasons why the accused is found "not guilty" rather than "innocent."

The court doesn't find that the accused didn't do it. The court finds that there is not enough evidence to eliminate reasonable doubt. A "not guilty" verdict does not necessarily mean the accusation was false.

Surely there are already laws on the books to prosecute demonstrably false accusations. It might be good to match the penalty in each case to that of the false accusation.

Just my 1-cent's worth, as a fan of Perry Mason. ;O)

[ellery]

I'm confused...you say that the alleged victim may be an attention-seeker, then point out that she's still anonymous in the mainstream media. If she were doing this for attention, she would have already been on with Barbara Walters.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

If she's lying, she deserves to have her character smeared, and worse than what we've seen so far.

Sure she does, and she should go to jail. But right now, I dont trust any negative things reported about her.

[nyconse]

She made the charges after the incident, but the DA did not immediately charge Kobe. The girl did not wait two weeks.

[LanPB01]

The girl sounds like a total nut to me. But hey, if you want to see a man with a spotless past go to jail based on the word of a girl who sounds like a nut, that's your business.

[cyncooper]

Geez, are your hands raw from rubbing them with glee?

I see you don't let the constant debunking of these stories get you down and you're right there to swallow the next load of bunkem.

[bluejean]

'If rape were decriminalized, women would behave differently.'

This comment is sociopathic. Go on down the slippery slope - if crime were decriminalized, its vicims would behave differently. If murder were decriminalized, its victims would behave differently. The victim is at fault, and you're the Uday-wannabe who gets to have your way with other human beings. This is a subhuman mentality that accounts for so much sick, inhuman behavior in today's sad world, it's hard to put into words. It's an indescribable insensitivity toward human life. I hope you didn't truly intend to be this cold. It's very disturbing to see this mentality in this forum.

VERY FEW women would go to hotel rooms of men they don't know, and to make a statement that places all women in this idiotic category, and then makes them all fair game for such violent, destructive behavior (happily decriminalized for you, in the event this was really a rape) is unconscionable.

This Kobe/teenybopper episode seems to be bringing out the predator in a lot of comments here. I generally enjoy the intelligent bantering I find out here, but when it descends into this kind of evidently revenge-ridden baggage-laden vitriol, I feel very disillusioned. I expect better from you GUYS. I enjoy you guys. But this - I just hope I don't see too much more of this out here. Maybe we can get back to issues that don't descend into caveman club-waving, huh?

[sinkspur]

She said she was tricked by reporters

Of course she did. What McKinney told the reporters was likely the truth, and she's now trying to spin it because she realizes how damaging it is to the cheerleader.

[george wythe]

DA knew of an alleged overdose

When District Attorney Mark Hurlbert weighed all the factors in the case against Kobe Bryant, he was aware the Eagle County woman accusing Kobe Bryant of sexual assault had been under emotional stress and had ingested too much medication, losing consciousness.

Last Friday, he charged Bryant anyway.

Hurlbert, who Sunday and Monday again declined comment about the case, learned at least a week before of the problems the alleged victim had gone through, but still felt strongly enough about the evidence to charge Bryant with Class-3 felony sexual assault.

Hurlbert huddled with the alleged victim's family the morning after he learned of the incident with pills, which friends said Monday were nonprescription.

Previous reports posted in FR had claimed the opposite.

[Hodar]

If you are robbed, do you wait a day or so before calling the police?
If you are mugged, do you wait 12 hours before calling the police?
If you car is stolen, do you wait 6 hours before calling the police?

When a crime is committed, and the 'victim' waits until all physical evidence is gone, one begins to wonder if the 'victim' is what they claim. Is this a case of 'rape' or did the girl feel 'cheap' because Kobe didn't call her in the morning? A few really neat things about screaming 'rape'. The man has to PROVE HIS INNOCENCE. The accuser can remain anonymous; and she has absolutely nothing to lose; while the man risks losing everything. Kobe would NOT be the first man charged and imprisioned falsely for rape. There are many women who charge men with rape for revenge, or to simply claim 'victim-status' for a decision they made. Google has plenty of examples.

[r9etb]

But I haven't read or heard anything that would lead me to believe that her actions "immediately after the fact" were in any way standard operating procedure for rape victims.

I admit to paying very little attention to this story beyond the original reports (watching Kobe Brayant's sycophants is nauseating).

My recollection is that the girl told the people at the front desk that she had been raped, and then went to the emergency room.

[af_vet_1981]

The reporters lied in print. They linked her quote about one night to the other to further their own agenda.

[AppyPappy]

not the one above.

That's what we are to believe. But I imagine the spin is being directed from elsewhere.

Ask yourself this: If this was Karl Rove instead of Kobe Bryant, would they be blaming the victim?

[Smogger]

Even though the quote was referring to a different event, the journalists lied because they have an agenda.

With all of the damnning information presented in that article all the girl can say is that one line was printed out of context. That's fine with me. It's a fact until this story came out she was being described as "squeaky-clean" by her friends though they knew for a fact that the OD had occurred. Also it's being widely reported that the parents have been calling her friends and telling them NOT to talke to reporters and not to discuss the suicide attempt.

[ellery]

Oh, please. Race has nothing to do with this -- one could as easily say that people here defending Kobe are confirming stereotypical "conservative" sexism by blaming the alleged victim/saying she "asked for it." I didn't know until you mentioned it that the accuser is white -- there goes your theory.

The fact is, Kobe is innocent until proven guilty. But acting like it's just completely out of the question that he may have done this is silly -- there are too many examples of the rich and famous thinking the rules don't apply to them.

[Mr. Bird]

She made the charges after the incident, but the DA did not immediately charge Kobe. The girl did not wait two weeks

Thanks for the reiteration, but I never said she did. I did ask if she called the cops immediately, or did she sleep on it. To my knowledge, the cops were not called immediately.

So to continue the blatant speculation: if she was raped in the parking lot of the hotel by an unknown assailant, would she have called the cops immediately? I would hope so. But it's pretty clear that she didn't hop on the phone and get Five-O out there in a hurry. Why?

[AppyPappy]

She smiled therefore she must be making it up.

[Smogger]

Why would you doubt that? Do you realize how much money the team recently spent trying to guarantee a championship in the 2003-2004 season? What about their investment in Kobe?

Not as much as about half the league. Far short of what Portland, New York, Dallas, and even Sacramento spent.

[phreebass]

That's just ridiculous. This story doesn't need any help from the Laker organization to continue generating new info, witnesses, allegations, rumors and go to court. Off topic, you can't buy yourself a gauranteed championship... and Karl Malone came to play for the Lakers for peanuts! But anyway...

The Laker organization doesn't have the resources or ability to influence the outcome of this case... they're a basketball team... they're not in the business of gossip , generating news stories or selling papers ... like say, the national enquirer. They know that whats-done-is-done and and they have to wait for it to go to court... otherwise all they can do is "support" their player through their public relations. I don't think Phil is whispering in the ear of msnbc and Shaq is intimidating witnesses.