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Seven Years Later: Was TWA Flight 800 a First Strike By Jihad Terrorists? (posted 7/17/03)
Capitalism Magazine ^ | July 17, 2003 | Scott Holleran

Posted on 07/17/2003 12:28:10 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: nyconse
Agreed. Nor were the bombers true muslims. Both were brought up in a cultural context though.
41 posted on 07/17/2003 1:39:01 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: unoAmerican
You are aware, of course, that the Navy was conducting an exercise in that very same area at that time?

Yes, I am aware of that.

As for the "getaway", who knows, but it's also hard to figure the failure of our air defenses on 9-11.
42 posted on 07/17/2003 1:41:16 PM PDT by mr.pink
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To: presidio9
There is a major difference between McVeigh and the 9-11 bombers. The 9-11 bombers were on a religious mission:jihad. McVeigh hated the government. He was anti-government. He was not killing for Christ, but documents reveal the 9-11 butchers were killing for their God: big difference. Jihad calls for the murder of the infidel (all non-Muslims). It is based on perhaps misinterpreted religious beliefs. McVeigh hated the government. He was an anarchist-not a religious- murderer.
43 posted on 07/17/2003 1:47:52 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Curioser and curioser. Thank your brother for his service from a grateful citizen.
44 posted on 07/17/2003 1:50:40 PM PDT by MattinNJ (One fine, beautiful, sunny day in Havana, I will take a pi$$ on Castro's grave.)
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To: presidio9
One of several article from the Manila Times.
Link: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2002/apr/26/top_stories/20020426top6.html
Search www.manilatimes.net for more.

RP cops aware of long-term  
rightwing, Muslim connection

By Dorian Zumel-Sicat

DAVAO CITY — The lawyer of executed Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh has provided victims of the tragedy with a report on an interrogation linking an American trader with rightwing Americans, agents of Iraq, Osama bin Laden and the Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG).

However, the most striking thing about the transcript is that it shows Philippine police have long been aware of operational ties between local Islamic radicals and rightwing foreigners.

Why the strange alliance exists remains a puzzle to police and military intelligence agents. A senior counter-terrorist expert says commerce and short-term goals could account for the unusual ties. “Eventually, they’ll be killing each other. But for now, they seem to be working together.”

New case

US Federal agents ignored evidence of these rightwing/Islamic links in the aftermath of the April 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building. In the end, they succeeded in pinning the blame solely on McVeigh and his pal, Terry Nichols, who was married to Filipino women, one of them the daughter of Cebuano cop Eduardo Torres.

The suit filed by the Washington DC-based Judicial Watch on behalf of the victims of the 1995 blast has unearthed evidence earlier disallowed in the McVeigh trial. The victims also allege a federal cover-up of Iraqi involvement though the reason remains unclear.

McVeigh’s lawyer, Stephen Jones, provided the new plaintiffs with a report on the ‘soft interrogation’ of slain ASG co-founder and government deep cover agent, Edwin Angeles. The Manila Times obtained a copy of the document.

The report names John Lepney, an import/export trader, as among those who met in 1992 and 1993 with Angeles, Ramsey Yousef, McVeigh accomplice Terry Nichols, and some unnamed Iraqis, in a Muslim ghetto in Tibongco, this city. The meeting took place just months prior to the Oklahoma City bombing.

Series of meetings

The Angeles interrogation transcript dates back to 1996. It shows the ASG officer talking with an official of the Philippine National Police and another from the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI). Also present were two lawyers hired by Jones to witness the interrogation. The Manila Times was requested to withhold identities of the two lawyers and the two officials pending the Washington trial.

The report pictured Angeles as eager to talk, almost garrulous, offering information on mail-order brides and terrorists. It was the police officer who showed Angeles a photo album of alleged mail-order bride facilitators.

The Abu Sayyaf leader leafed through and pointed out one of the men. In the vernacular, he said, “This man I know, this is John Lepney.” He said the American lived in Davao City and was known to import appliances and electronics. Angeles knew Lepney enough to join him in massage sessions at the Plaza Roman, also in this city.

Other meetings, however, were not so innocent. Among Angeles and Lepney’s companions in subsequent gatherings were Nichols and Abdul Basis — who would later be known as Ramzi Yousef, the convicted mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing.

At a meeting in the vicinity of the Del Monte labeling factory here, they were joined by Wali Khan, a Jordanian pilot who would later be arrested in Malaysia, and Abdul Hakim Murad, Yousef’s co-accused in the World Trade Center blast.

Angeles did not state in the interrogation what the meeting was about, but mentioned that Nichols had passed himself as a farmer. He also volunteered having stayed for at least eight months in Tibongco.

Disallowed

An intelligence source here told The Manila Times, “It is strange that people like Nichols, and this Lepney would go to that part of Tibongco. At that time it was a stronghold of Muslim separatists. They must have had serious business there for them to take the risk, even if they were accompanied by people like Angeles.”

Robert Bickel, senior investigator for the law firm of John Michael Johnston in Oklahoma City, and the representative firm Judicial Watch in Washington, DC, said the reason for the new evidence is that only certain parts of Angeles’ statements were allowed as evidence during the McVeigh and Nichols trials.

“Jones filed objections to the motions to allow the statement but to no avail. That is why we’re only hearing about Lepney now,” Bickel said in a telephone interview.

The Philippine intelligence source told The Times, that cops then were interested in knowing who bankrolled Nichols, a big spender who did not have any clear source of income. It was not clear, however, why no cop had interviewed Lepney if they were really interested in him.

Adventures

“We have to remember that Nichols had no gainful employment after his 1989 hardship discharge from the US Army. He was nothing but a farm worker who could never afford the trips to the Philippines that he made from 1990 to 1994,” the source said.

The same source also noted that Marife Nichols went to the United States supposedly to join her husband in 1994, carrying with her $4,000 in cash, and from between $10,000 to $18,000 in gold coins.

Nichols left his estranged wife, Lana Padilla with at least $20,000 in cash and up to $100,000 in gold and silver before he made his last trip to the Philippines in 1994, just months before the Oklahoma City bombing.

“Lepney appears to be the guy to find. More interesting, is the fact that the prosecution was adamant in keeping the Angeles statement out of evidence. The reason for it was the absence of a warm body. That still doesn’t hold water today,” Bickel told The Times.

The Times was able to confirm that Lepney did indeed reside and do business in Davao City during 1990 to 1996. “He would come in often. He did enjoy Tanduay and Coke, and he loved kinilaw. When he became drunk he would many times brag about his adventures with Moro rebels, but most of us just ignored him,” says a popular bar owner who has asked to remain anonymous.

Lepney’s present whereabouts, or where he exactly did business in this city are both unknown at this time.

   

46 posted on 07/17/2003 1:54:24 PM PDT by yatros from flatwater
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To: OXENinFLA
I still think that was the 1st shoe bomber.

I have thought the same thing since the failed attempt by the captured shoe-bomber. Too many witnesses saw a fire/explosion BEFORE the disintegration of the plane. The coverup makes sense unfortunately. Who would fly after that, especially so soon after Sept. 11.

47 posted on 07/17/2003 1:57:04 PM PDT by ALASKA
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To: MattinNJ
Thank you my brother is very proud of his service. Plenty happens that Americans don't know about. My brother was forced to become an embassy guard-he hated it. No recon marine wants to be an embassy guard: sissy work. This was after Iran hostage crisis-no marine wanted to be an embassy guard. In Quantico, he deliberately flunked out twice. His CO made him clean latrines with a toothbrush until he passed and became an embassy guard. He ended up in Tunisia. When he arrived, he was told that Reagan had ordered that no American embassy could ever surrender-fight to the death if need be. The ambassador did not have the power to surrender the embassy. This suited my brother. He told me he would rather die than be captured by Islamic savages. The Tunisian embassy was attacked by an Islamic mob during his tenure. The marines opened fire with machine guns: killed more than a few. However, this was never reported in the newspapers-as far as I know.
48 posted on 07/17/2003 1:59:01 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: mr.pink
As for the "getaway", who knows, but it's also hard to figure the failure of our air defenses on 9-11.

Coincidentally, NORAD was holding an exercise the morning of 9/11.

Who knows? The NORAD exercise may well have delayed the reaction to the hijackings. For all we know, the Navy exercise may have facilitated a getaway after TWA 800 (people in the exercise being afraid that the exercise was responsible for bringing the plane down.)

49 posted on 07/17/2003 2:04:16 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: presidio9
Yo,Wassup with the error and shut down?

Twice I tried to save to document and I got the old.."You have performed an illegal act/proceedure and this program will be shut down".

Why does this happen with controversal subject matter?

Ya know,just becuz yer Paranoid,doesn't mean they're not out to getcha...
50 posted on 07/17/2003 2:06:15 PM PDT by skinny old man
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To: nyconse
Amazing story. That's why this country is still great-for every 100 liberals there is one Reagan and one guy like your brother.
51 posted on 07/17/2003 2:07:56 PM PDT by MattinNJ (One fine, beautiful, sunny day in Havana, I will take a pi$$ on Castro's grave.)
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To: MattinNJ
Thank you again. My brother told funny stories. He was sent to South Africa in the eighties-again still had to be a embassy guard. He had tried to get out of it for several years by this time. He was forced to tend penguins (nasty dirty birds) and babysit children of diplomats. The boy is not fond of birds or children to this day. He and his buddies contented themselves with torturing some British soldiers(I don't know why they were there). They used to walk into bars frequented by these British guys (Mike said they were terrible snobs) and order a beer, slam the glass down and yell (f) the queen. They would then fight or run-depending on if they were outnumbered badly. All his friends got a tatoo in this little tatoo shop, they were hiding out in. The owner wouldn't let them stay unless they got tatoos. My brother would have been the last one. Luckily for him, the pursuers gave up before this happened. This big tough (6 foot 4 inches) marine hated needles! He finally made it back to a Recon unit-after he accidentally flattened the wife of the Ambassador's car with a big truck. Luckily she wasn't in it. The marines stashed him until his orders came through. At that point, they decided he wasn't suited to embassy duty.
52 posted on 07/17/2003 2:23:15 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: presidio9
The clearest memory I have of the TWA800 was the look on Pres Clinton's face immediately afterward. He looked bad. Pale as a ghost, nearly speechless. A mere accident wouldn't have done that, IMHO.
53 posted on 07/17/2003 2:25:59 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: nyconse
At that point, they decided he wasn't suited to embassy duty.

LOL. The brass is a little slow on the uptake, huh.

54 posted on 07/17/2003 2:27:50 PM PDT by MattinNJ (One fine, beautiful, sunny day in Havana, I will take a pi$$ on Castro's grave.)
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To: MattinNJ
very slow on the uptake!
55 posted on 07/17/2003 2:30:01 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: presidio9
google
56 posted on 07/17/2003 2:48:34 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out!)
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To: presidio9
Stop being so damn cryptic. Tell me more.

Go to http://www.jaynadavis.com.

Be sure to go to the audio section and listen to the presentation to Senator Arlen Specter.

ML/NJ

57 posted on 07/17/2003 3:02:21 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: presidio9
How do you link Oklahoma City, carried out by a white Christian, with the others, all carried out by arab Muslims? What am I missing here?

Start with John Does number two and three. Throw in a little "Nichols goes the the Phillipines," and go from there. Don't forget the fact that a single bomb out in the street could in no way bring down a building. Especially when it left building across the street the other way virtually unscathed. IMHO, ALL of these events mentioned by my fellow tin-foil hatted brethren are suspicious and involve cover ups.
58 posted on 07/17/2003 5:22:20 PM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: presidio9
Check this link for the Wall Street Journal summary of the whole disturbing story:

http://www.phillytalkradioonline.com/davis/wsj.html
59 posted on 07/17/2003 9:36:43 PM PDT by ellery
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To: unoAmerican
I find that more believable than the jihad theory, to be honest.

If Flight 800 was shot down by Muslim extremists, they would have bragged about it. Osama would have made videos talking about, like he did with every other terrorist act his network commited.

What would be the sense in taking down a commercial jet and then keeping silent about it?

60 posted on 07/17/2003 10:00:36 PM PDT by Hazzardgate (RIP Buddy)
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