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The Skinny on Fat (The Truth About Obesity, Part 2)
Tech Central Station ^ | July 16, 2003 | Sandy Szwarc

Posted on 07/16/2003 11:57:41 AM PDT by Timesink

Edited on 07/22/2003 2:46:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A host of sinful foods have been demonized as the root of obesity and poor health of American adults and children. Fast food restaurants have been sued, accused of contributing to customers' obesity because their food tastes too good and they tempt us by advertising. Taxes are being proposed on foods deemed fattening or bad for us, namely, anything with meat or fat, that is fried or processed or that is sweet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: fat; obesity
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To: ExSoldier
I started Jenny Craig with my wife in May. To date, my wife has lost about 15 pounds and I have lost near THIRTY pounds. I now weight about 240...only about thirty to go.

Sounds like my in-laws. They started on Weight Watchers a year and a half ago. My mother in law took off about ten or so pounds, while my father in law has taken off 45 pounds.

I have tried to keep up with the points that they've talked about, but it's been difficult at best. I've taken off maybe 10 pounds since the first of the year. (which I've alternately put back on and taken off, depending on the week in question...[sigh])

121 posted on 07/17/2003 6:29:46 AM PDT by mhking
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
From the link above, a search returned this excerpt:
With The Diet Trap you can:

122 posted on 07/17/2003 6:31:36 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RockyMtnMan
"Unfortunately some people's bodies need a ridiculously small number of calories compared to others.."

Some people will never get this. I had always been thin - could eat anything. Suddenly at 40-somthing I started to put on weight. I tried the 6-week body makeover plan - your body needs food to burn so it can pick up the metabolic rate - I was eating twice what I ate before and lost the weight I wanted to.

Suddenly I have gained weight back. Menopausal symptoms. Dr. says hormone levels extremely low. Now this "makeover" plan does not work for me. Atkins did not work for me. Weight lifting, extra exercise did not work. Dr. is working to get hormone levels back on even keel. When this is straightened out, I know the weight will come off. So it is not just calories - your individual metabolic rate plays a large role (so does your age).

Live and learn.
123 posted on 07/17/2003 6:35:11 AM PDT by fawn796
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To: sinkspur
Translation: "high energy" foods are carbohydrates.

Fat is the highest energy food, having more than double the energy content per gram (9kcal/g) than do carbohydrates (4kcal/g). The problem is having a diet with an energy intake that chronically exceeds energy output. In the context of such a diet, unless someone is an actively growing child (or body builder) and is putting on weight in flesh and bones, the weight gain will be in body fat.

It's as simple as a bank account: If you put in (absorbed nutrients, not consumed nutrients) more than you take out, your deposits will grow. If you take out (via energy expenditure) more than you put in, your deposits will shrink.
124 posted on 07/17/2003 6:35:32 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
From the link above, a search returned this excerpt: With The Diet Trap you can:

In other words, yet another "know-it-all" with yet "another way"™ to change your life -- of course, so she can sell yet more books and pad her wallet with more cash. What makes her any different than any of the others?

125 posted on 07/17/2003 6:36:16 AM PDT by mhking
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
If you get hot flashes, have you tried taking Black Cohash?

No, I have been using Natural Progesterone cream, which seems to work fairly well.

126 posted on 07/17/2003 6:37:24 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Rennes Templar
... for anyone one to imply that activity and food intake are not related to obesity is trying to sell something ...

Amen!

But, I don't agree with your addiction to sugar hypothesis. Anecdotally, I'd say that we Americans are eating more calories from restaurant/take-out foods each year. These foods tend to be packed with salt, fat, and sugar. If we fill our stomach with these foods we too will be packed with salt, fat, and sugar. In other words, if we eat a lot of restaurant food, we'll tend to over consume calories. The result is we will gain weight.

I did not gain any noticable amount of body fat from my late teens to my late thirties - in spite of eating a lot of sugar/carbohydrate laden foods. In my late thirties, I started eating in restaurants on a regular basis. This also accompanied a reduced amount of physical activity. In one year, I put two inches of fat around my waistline and gained 10+ pounds of fat.

127 posted on 07/17/2003 6:38:23 AM PDT by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
He has NO training in diet, food, etc. What's ironic is what his "diet" will be doing to your arteries and veins.

This is the typical attack from dietitians (who've been telling us for years to eat carbohydrates) who've gotten Americans to their fattest level in history!

I'll trust a cardiologist over these so-called "experts" any day.

Results are what counts.

128 posted on 07/17/2003 6:40:00 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: mhking
Nope. If you read her writings, you would know that is not th case.
129 posted on 07/17/2003 6:42:39 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Lil'freeper
Here is an interesting nutrition thread, thought you might like to read it.
130 posted on 07/17/2003 6:44:05 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: sinkspur
Results are what counts.

That's what I'm figuring.

My uncle in Detroit is on Atkins, and looks great; my in-laws are on Weight Watchers and both look wonderful, and my brother in Chicago has been on Weight Watchers for a short time and has noticed a difference. I'm thinking the best bet is to find the proper combination that will re-jumpstart my metabolism (which was considerable in my college days) and roll on from there.

131 posted on 07/17/2003 6:44:58 AM PDT by mhking
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To: sinkspur
Results are what counts.

Exactly.

132 posted on 07/17/2003 6:45:46 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Pam Smith's book "The Diet Trap".

LOL! Pam Smith rails against diets, then gives you her own version of a "diet", she just can't call it that.

When Pam Smith has 30 years of success under her belt, come back to us.

133 posted on 07/17/2003 6:46:22 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: mhking
No veggies? Only fresh or steamed fresh, no canned.

No fruit? Nope, has the same effect as sugar on me.

No seasoning on your food?Absolutely none, I have found I prefer the taste of food without it.

No beer?On social occasions only.

No milk?Ewwwwww....nasty stuff!

134 posted on 07/17/2003 6:47:12 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Timesink
Research has repeatedly demonstrated that sugar and the next culprit, sodas, do not cause diabetes, hyperactivity, addiction, tooth decay, bad bones, chronic diseases, or obesity.

Whoa! Someone's high on crack.

Americans consume 1/2 lb. of sugar per day on average. Per day! 200 years ago it was 10 lbs. per year.

Average American carbohydrate consumption increased from 30 to 40% of total caloric intake over a recent ten year period, corresponding to an alarming increase in obesity.

Dr. Atkins was right. See the New England Journal of Medicine.

135 posted on 07/17/2003 6:48:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Artist
Ping!
136 posted on 07/17/2003 6:50:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: aruanan
Soon though, Atkins dieters become so starved for carbohydrates that they either start cheating or quit the plan altogether.

Another dimwit about Atkins.

One learns what level of carb consumption triggers weight gain.

Everybody on Atkins eats carbs. I do, and I splurge at least once a week on anything I want.

It's not a diet; it's a new way to eat!

Those of you who doubt that Atkins works, try it. You'll feel better, you'll lose weight and look better, and you won't be starving all the time, the main complaint against the low cal route.

The fact that people go back to old ways of eating doesn't prove anything about the Atkins plan; it just proves that people are undisciplined.

137 posted on 07/17/2003 6:52:41 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
You're talking refined sugar, not natural sugar. There's a difference.

I realize that, he was talking about sugar addiction. I do not have a sugar addiction and also do not eat fruit, drink milk, etc. I probably eat the most low natural sugar diet you can without severe health consequences. So it is not sugar that makes me retain the weight.

138 posted on 07/17/2003 6:55:11 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Why do you go to a doctor if you already know the answer?

Same reason anyone goes to the doctor. Regular checkups. I'm just lucky that mine is interested in nutrition and exercise and will discuss diets, fad and non, with me.

He's given me the go-ahead to increase my carb intake, mostly via Gatorade, once the festival starts and I'm spending 14 hours a day in 95-degree, 95% humidity heat.
139 posted on 07/17/2003 6:58:25 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: sinkspur
I do miss the twice-a-week pasta, though, but I have found that the toppings on the pizza are almost as good as the entire slice. Especially with extra cheese.
140 posted on 07/17/2003 6:59:11 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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