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American jobs must not be lost, says Kissinger
TIMES NEWS NETWORK ^ | JULY 16, 2003 | KALPANA SHAH

Posted on 07/16/2003 10:42:49 AM PDT by IonInsights

LAS VEGAS: When a former US secretary of state of the stature of Dr Henry Kissinger walks into a technology conference, 10,000 techies filling up the Ballroom at Mandarin Bay stand and applaud, even before he says anything. When he answers a question about outsourcing of economic activity, his reply draws a bigger applause from the largely American audience.

“If outsourcing would continue to the point of stripping the United States of its industrial base, and of the act of getting out its own technology, then it requires really careful thought of national policy and probably create incentives to prevent it from happening.”

It was Mr Sanjay Kumar, chairman and CEO of Computer Associates (CA) who put the question to him. Mr Kumar mentioned the increased outsourcing of technology related work, from insurance claims, airline reservations, computer programming to countries like India and China and asked Dr Kissinger whether this would erode middle class power bases in Europe and the US.

Dr Kissinger’s answer: “I don’t look at this from an economic point of view but the political and social points of view. The question really is whether America can remain a great power or a dominant power if it becomes a primarily service economy, and I doubt that. A country has to have an industrial base in order to play a significant role in the world. And I am concerned from that point of view.” The mood was unambiguous — American jobs must not be lost.

Mr Kumar also reminded him about his acceptance speech after winning the Nobel Peace prize where he had voiced concerns about the rise of technology, and asked whether he had changed his mind about technology since then. Dr Kissinger said, “My concerns have mounted since then. I am of a generation that grew up on books. It helps you develop concepts. With computers, you don’t have to remember things because the information is all there.” He worries that despite the fact that there is an explosion of information, the problem is how to transform information into knowledge and knowledge into wisdom.

“I worked with leaders who had an intuitive sense of the future although they didn’t have so much information. Statesmen have progressively more information but they have progressively more insecurity because they have no sense of the evolution of the system,” he said. The role of technology should be to bridge the gap between availability of information and the ability to use it, Dr Kissinger said. An idea that the IT industry will have to mull over.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: economy; employment; jobmarket; jobs; kissinger; outsourcing
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To: oceanview
Hillary is listening. Come 2008, she will know what to pitch to these displaced workers.

Why would she wait to 2008?!

21 posted on 07/16/2003 11:10:47 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: oceanview
Looks like we are all in a real bind. We can support Hillary and maybe get something to limit outsourcing, but we get a socialist traitor in power.... or we support the Republicans and we continue to get the free trade lies. I'd much rather the Republicans step up to the plate and realize that national security depends on a strong manufacturing and technolgy industries. Besides we don't have free trade with our "partners" anyway. They have all fixed the game. We are just suckers by actually believing that free trade is going on.
22 posted on 07/16/2003 11:11:46 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Jim Cane
"Amen! Just look at what Ronald Reagan's tariff on 700cc and over Jap bikes did to Harley Davidson.

Now, Now you know that the "Pro-Outsourcing" crowd isn't interested in facts. Just greed. As a further note you might want to take a gander at this.An American success story

23 posted on 07/16/2003 11:12:07 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: IonInsights
CONVERSATION I HAD WHILE READING THIS:

CALLER: I'd dis de person dat can make di decision?

ME: What?

CALLER: I'm callink about yer telephone listink. I'd dis (insert infor here) information correct? For your bidiness page listing?

ME: Uh, close enough.

CALLER: The listing will be "XX amount" for 2 years.

ME: You have a lovely voice. Where are you calling from? India I bet.

CALLER: Yes. India.

ME: Nothing personal but the last thing I'd do is pay for a listing in some telephone book I've never heard of. Besides, it might lead to more calls from India by people I can barely understand.

24 posted on 07/16/2003 11:13:23 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Liberals - Their neural synapses are corroded.)
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To: A. Pole
Wow...I agree with Kissinger on something...I guess maybe I can order my Cubs World Series tickets now.
25 posted on 07/16/2003 11:13:46 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: liberallarry
Yes, but we can't dominate it when we allow everyone else to break the rules. Free trade is only one sided now, our side. Punative tariffs need to be put in place against countries that don't float their currencies and engage in other games.
26 posted on 07/16/2003 11:13:52 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: DonaldC
I don't want to punish a foreign company but there is no way that American labor can compete with Indian labor.

Why?

27 posted on 07/16/2003 11:16:43 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
I don't want to punish a foreign company but there is no way that American labor can compete with Indian labor.

Why?

Because of much higher costs of living.

28 posted on 07/16/2003 11:19:34 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: StolarStorm
Hillary is FOR outsourcing. She and her husband paved the way to Globalism and the One World Government that Globalism is striving to reach.
But the average voter will only know that the current economy is a mess, that they and their neighbors are either unemployed or underemployed and not doing very well.
Besides, Hillary's social programs will look good to people who have no salaries or health insurance.
29 posted on 07/16/2003 11:20:15 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: A. Pole
Because of much higher costs of living.

In other words we have a better standard of living.

30 posted on 07/16/2003 11:23:45 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: IonInsights
We just moved our 401k because they had tech support from India and we could never get problems resolved. Employers have enough problems following regs without getting penalized for late reporting because you can't get anyone to figure out what's wrong with the upload.

The first thing my client asked the new companies was who handled their support, if it was outsourced, the company was "outsourced".

31 posted on 07/16/2003 11:24:27 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to FreeRepublic!)
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To: pabianice
Hey the American Motorcycle Industry was saved by tarrifs, wasn't it?
32 posted on 07/16/2003 11:24:39 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: JustAnAmerican
Now, Now you know that the "Pro-Outsourcing" crowd isn't interested in facts. Just greed. As a further note you might want to take a gander at this.An American success story

Unmentioned in the story are the side effects of Harley's success. That of the creation of American jobs by it's main competitor, Honda. The "Made in America" meant big sales to Honda, hence they now build their cruiser and Goldwing models right here. U.S. Honda workers pay taxes which provide for our defense, and the skills and machinerey they use can be quickly retooled in the event of war for weapons production.

33 posted on 07/16/2003 11:29:38 AM PDT by Jim Cane
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To: StolarStorm
Hillary and her white trash husband have been pro-"free trade" all along. Ought to make you pause...
34 posted on 07/16/2003 11:32:50 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Protagoras
Because of much higher costs of living.

In other words we have a better standard of living.

Yes, until now American workers had/have a better standard of living.

35 posted on 07/16/2003 11:33:39 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Hillary is FOR outsourcing. She and her husband paved the way to Globalism and the One World Government that Globalism is striving to reach.

Worse. IIRC, candidate Bill Clinton expressed serious reservations about NAFTA and said he would only consider it if solid environmental, legal, and labor protections were in place.

Later, of course, President Bill Clinton signed onto NAFTA without blinking.

Anyone who expects differently of Hillary (or for that matter, Kissinger) is living on Fantasy Island.

37 posted on 07/16/2003 11:36:56 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Jim Cane
Queen Elizabeth had it right when she employd Sir Frances Drake to privateer against the Spanish. We should employ/encourage Microsoft and any other willing American owned computer related enterprise to pursue world domination.

We were going gangbusters until the justice department took sides against microsoft and started the unraveling of the tech revolution. The accounting fiasco is a side show in comparison.

We lead in innovation and product development. I say we become a we bit more piratical against - say the french, germans and any other groupo so left leaning that it takes little wind to knock them down.

38 posted on 07/16/2003 11:37:23 AM PDT by i.l.e.
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To: Cacophonous
Hillary and her white trash husband have been pro-"free trade" all along.

So has this Bush administration! I'm getting so pissed off with them that I am about ready to demand a refund of my contribution(s)!

To where, or to whom, do we turn?

39 posted on 07/16/2003 11:39:13 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: Cacophonous
Yeah, they did start the ball rolling on a lot of this. I'm worried that if the dems don't make this an issue though, the republicans won't touch it at all. Maybe a third party can nudge the RNC leadership in the right direction.
40 posted on 07/16/2003 11:40:04 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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