American jobs must not be lost, says Kissinger

TIMES NEWS NETWORK ^ | JULY 16, 2003 | KALPANA SHAH

[PatrioticAmerican]

US companies sending labor overseas should not be allowed the tax deduction for that labor. Tax deductions for labor are supposed to be an incentive for US production, not foreign production. Why should be tax payers pay more in taxes so that corporations can send our jobs overseas?

[Protagoras]

Say it ain't so! A possible solution for a problem which doesn't include protective tariffs? Wow! You might get in trouble around here for not toeing the line.

[Jim Cane]

Just one more incorrect conclusion in a lifetime of confusion.

Why are you so confused? Mice get into your MRE's?

[wcbtinman]

Well, OK, whatever you say.

[DoctorMichael]

The mood was unambiguous. American jobs must not be lost.

Bump.

Anybody in the Congress, Senate or White House listening here?

.........And you clowns in Washington are wondering why the US economy is not springing back to life with the current interest rate climate? If the current situation wasn't so pathetic I would be laughing.

[Protagoras]

"Oh yeah? I can turn your words around and pretend they were about you, not me."

That's what my kids used to say,,,,,when they were six or seven.

But it is in keeping with your intellectual age.

[Paul Ross]

You are ignorant if you think protectionism leads to anything good.

The U.S. was founded on a protectionist set of trade policies to get out from under the thumb of British merchants and bankers. The U.S. was not a good idea?

[Moonman62]

Amen! Just look at what Ronald Reagan's tariff on 700cc and over Jap bikes did to Harley Davidson.

A couple of years after those tariffs, Harley Davidson was yet again on the verge of bankruptcy. They finally reformed their business practices that led to their recovery. These days Harley Davidson lobbies against tariffs.

Bottom line is those tariffs postponed Harley Davidson's recovery for a couple of years.

[Moonman62]

“I don’t look at this from an economic point of view but the political and social points of view. The question really is whether America can remain a great power or a dominant power if it becomes a primarily service economy, and I doubt that. A country has to have an industrial base in order to play a significant role in the world. And I am concerned from that point of view.”

Karl Marx and the Soviet Union had the same philosophy. And Kissinger was the guy who convinced Nixon that the Soviet Union was winning the Cold War.

[Jim Cane]

You better get back in your bunker before the black helicoptors get you - guvmint one's - to take away your
God given freedom to shoot mailmen and sell their fancy uniforms to whomever you please.

[Jim Cane]

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[Protagoras]

I see you just got here, nice addition to the forum. A mentally incompetent teenager. Damn, how do you kids find your way here between downloading games from the internet?

[Protagoras]

The U.S. was founded on a protectionist set of trade policies to get out from under the thumb of British merchants and bankers. The U.S. was not a good idea?

The US was founded in a system which used chattel slavery in order to produce profits for slaveowners. The US was not a good idea?

See how silly that is?

The US may have had wrong policies and still succeeded. And it still does succeed, sometimes and usually in spite of it's mistakes.

[Jim Cane]

It beats being a mentally incompetent geezer like you, doesn't it? A geezer who thinks the Constitution violates his fundamental rights.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Waaaaa, the commie Founding Fathers are taking my money and preventing me from getting imports at below cost prices.

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Waaaa, my fundamental rights are being violated, HELP! HELP! Who are they to regulate who and what I trade? HELP!

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,

Waaaaa, boo hoo, it's not faaaair. I should be able to get special H1B exceptions and make other people pay the government to help me get them.

[Paul Ross]

The US was founded in a system which used chattel slavery in order to produce profits for slaveowners. The US was not a good idea?

See how silly that is?

Frankly that is the erroneous leftist spiel, who mischaracterize the whole of the Founders and the Republic. The Founders all knew the plain meaning of the Declaration of Independence, that slavery was ultimately intended to be abolished, and that the later-crafted Constitution's treatment of slavery was intended to DIMINISH the slave-holders political power...and ban the slave trade. So see how silly your erroneous digression was? You never proved a scintilla of the case that protectionism was not a fabulous success for the US, just as preached from afar by our first and best teacher, Adam Smith.

[waterstraat]

Kissinger is smarter than I thougt he was, at least he got this one right and can see the future.

[GOP_1900AD]

Strict laws regarding investment in and procurement from nations known to sponsor, aid, abet or support terrorism and proliferation of CBN weapons would be a good start. Also, trade should be restricted or outright banned with any nation who has nuclear weapons targetted on / capable of reaching the US or who has not signed a treaty of alliance with the US. Tie trade to geopolitical stance and the entire matter is solved. Would it be painful for the billionaire traitors? Yes. My answer? Too friggin' bad; you're either with us or you are with the enemy - choose. Thomas L. Freedman can eat my shorts.

[Longshanks]

This is a pleasant suprise. Neither Kissinger nor Kumar are are free-traitors. The worm is turing. Pat was right (again).

[endthematrix]

Thanks for the post. Been sayin this all along myself. Weird that I ally myself with Kissinger on this!?!

[Fledermaus]

I bet every one of these arguments were made during the industrial revolution about agriculture.

People feared machines. Sabotage was a term that came from the Danish (?) or some other similar country when workers threw their shoes, sabots, into the machinery to stop them.

The modern unionized automobile industry (and others) fought robotics in the factory.

As more and more and MORE countries wake up and take American democracy to heart and try to move into the 21st century, they are going to constantly be a source of cheaper labor. Why pay some American $25 an hour plus benefits to put gromments into holes on the Whirlpool refrigerator line when someone in Iraq is going to be willing to do the same thing for $5 an hour? It's just a grommet in a hole.

If the people that whine about losing these jobs bothered to mature and learn a better trade, job, career by just paying attention which they didn't do in high school, they'd be doing more meaningful work.

Geez, a basic bookkeeper can earn $12-15 an hour. Get an accounting degree (dogs and cats can get those) and you can earn $40K easily reconciling bank accounts and keeping a general ledger clean.

Heck, 17 year old girls at our local Sonic make an average of $15 an hour part time. Pizza delivery drivers, O'Charley's servers, etc. can easily make $35-40K a year.

Even when Nashville gave all kinds of incentives to Dell to build a factory all we heard about was the "high paying high tech jobs". Turned out to be nothing but a distribution center and the highest paid job for the "average worker" they touted was $9 an hour on the graveyard shift.

Our local Peterbilt manufacturing facility shut down when the workers went on strike because they were asked to pay an average of $25 more month in healthplan contributions while getting a 3% wage increase.

They, like moron grocery workers in California, lost more in wages while on strike than the money they'd have spent in extra healthcare cost for a good plan. They lost enough in wages to equal the next three or four years on more contributions. Talk about total morons.

So they finally just shut it all down and these idiots have NO job at all. And I'm supposed to cry and whine for them?