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I still don't see Hillary as a big threat in 2004 or necessarily in 2008. I don't doubt that she's as evil as this thread claims, but I don't see her having the appeal to win the presidency. She did well in New York because New York is so liberal. She still won't do well across the rest of the country. No matter how she tried to spin herself, she's just not someone that people like. I suspect that part of why she has that bitter edge to her personality is that she is angry that she'll never be widely liked.

While there are some conditions in 2004 that might be similar to those of 1992, the Presidents Bush are very different men in very different situations. After the entire communist bloc fell and we handily won Desert Storm, stupid people were ready to believe that everything in the world was forever going to be safe. Stupid people like to vote for Democrats, but they sometimes vote for Republicans because they know that Republican competence is needed when dealing with a dangerous world. Unfortunately, President Bush (41) didn't make the case that the world would forever be a dangerous place and that Republican competence is always a good thing. When Lee Atwater died, the administration lost the man who was apparently the only one who understood anything about campaigning. I saw the president at a campaign stop in October of '92, and he did very poorly. I think the campaign was always in disarray.

No matter how well we do in Iraq over the next year, people aren't going to be stupid enough to believe that the world is suddenly a safe place. I think it will be much harder to make them believe that everything is forever going to be okay and therefore electing Democrats is safe. Furthermore, I think that the political team for this President Bush will be better than the team for 41.

I'm not saying that we should be complacent. The president certainly can't afford to alienate core conservative voters. However, trying to claim that 2004 will be analogous to 1992 is wrong.

WFTR
Bill

"...I don't see her having the appeal to win the presidency."

Hillary has the Democrat nomination at the drop of a hat. If she jumped in on the day before the 1st primary, she would win in a landslide. The type of persons who vote in Democrat primaries, are the very type of persons who would vote for Hillary. She has the nomination anytime that she wants it. The only thing that prevents her from seeking it, is the fact of "W''s" perceived invincibility. Right now the Dem's smell blood because of this current "tempest in a teapot" concerning the SOTU speech. That is just nonsense, but it is all that they can come up with. The liberal media is just carrying water for them over this BS.

Hillary Beast is making some small noises because she needs to keep the media and the Democrat presidential wannabes in line. She ain't running in 2004 unless they have a freaking tape of the President conspiring to initiate a war based on fraudulent provocations, or worse.

The wicked witch clearly has her eyes set on the on the 2008 Election. She is just putting out a few pings right now, getting the competition in order, so to speak..

Here is how Hillary wins (many of you touched on these points)

1) She won the NY Senate seat without losing her temper and without having to deal with "the toughest journalists in the country".

2) Bush 41 had approval ratings like his son's 18 months before the election.

3) Hillary divorces or leaks another affair by Bill to gain her the "scorned wife" sympathy vote.

4) Naturally, many women and neutered men will vote for her just due to her sex.

5) A campaign against Bush 43 will be targeted at conservatives, criticizing Bush 43 for his Education Bill, Prescription Drug, Campaign Finance, etc. (He's a big spender) This will limit the conservative vote and cause many to stay home.

6) A 3rd party candidate will emerge to give those conservative voters another alternative. After all, Democrats and Republicans are all the same, right?

7) No terrorist attacks will cause the media to label Bush 43 as 'hysterical' on the issue every time he talks about it. Additional alerts will only make this worse. Hillary will praise Bush for the war on terror, but state that now we must move forward with the work of this country while continuing to track terrorists.

8) Regardless of economic conditions (we will never get back to the dot-com bubble), Hillary will state that the economy was better before Bush 43. People will forget the facts, regardless of Rush, Hannity, Freepers, etc. She will use Reagan's line "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" Conservatives will scream and liberals will salivate.

9) Hillary will run a campaign for our future, the children and how we are destroying their world due to our own greed. She will appeal to the aging baby-boomers who are now realizing how selfish their lives have been and want to leave a legacy behind.

10) Finally, Hillary will win by focusing on the Supreme Court nominees from Bush 43 (there will be 1 or 2 by election time). Those nominees will be labeled as right-wingers that will take away your choices (abortion and who you have sex with). Hillary will paint all Republicans and dirty, old white men that want to stick their noses into your private lives while letting corporations like Enron screw you over.

THAT IS THE NIGHTMARE WE MUST BE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH.

I know the nation has changed a great deal since 9-11. However, we are already slipping back into our old habits.

Erik