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Trained killer stalks US troops (HIGHLY trained assassin is stalking American soldiers)
theaustralian.news.com ^ | July 12, 2003 | Peter Wilson

Posted on 07/12/2003 6:49:49 PM PDT by youknow

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To: Prodigal Son
Perhaps, but:

his attacker strolled up to him from behind and shot him in the back of the neck with a hand gun before escaping into the crowd of a nearby bus station.

sounds different from a Dragunov sniper. Could be a single Uber-killer, but given a hostile, or at least "wait and see" mood among the populace, I think opportunistic richard-heads could be the culprits.

Remember "The Princess Bride" and "The Dread Pirate Roberts" who was actually a whole series of individuals? Each one of whom was a series guy?

21 posted on 07/12/2003 8:14:59 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: wcbtinman
I would suggest Carlos Hathcock, but even he can't shoot that far.

Roger that ... especially since GySgt Hathcock died from the long term effects of the wounds that he suffered in the Nam a little more than six years ago. Nice that you would remember him tho.

22 posted on 07/12/2003 8:17:58 PM PDT by Ipse Dixit
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To: fourdeuce82d
Yes, but do you not see what I'm saying? This MO has been carried out in at least two attacks that we know. Surely, if we see any sort of pattern, it would be logical to assume that maybe it could have been done by the same perp. I don't know- I didn't do a map recon of the killings but that was the first thing that popped into my head when I heard the similar circumstances.
23 posted on 07/12/2003 8:20:39 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
This MO has been carried out in at least two attacks that we know.

didn't read the whole article- saw the part about the Dragunov, and then the bit about the troop capped by a "walk" by. from that amount of reading, didn't think it pointed at one guy.

24 posted on 07/12/2003 8:22:27 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: mystery-ak
also who is firing mortars at Balad?

I've given this some thought and lol we have another mortar man on the thread other than me so you don't have to take my word for it. Believe me, I'm thinking about it. The IRA (in Ireland) have perfected the one use, throwaway mortar. Its ballistics are worked out beforehand and its accuracy is left to that chance.

Practically speaking, I don't see how a mortar could be employed to reasonable effect without some training involved. Would an FO be needed? Yes and no. If the mortar man were knowledgeable in his craft he could expect a reasonable amount of accuracy regardless of whether he had an FO or not. Another thing that he could do is to adjust his fire on a target totally away from his "real" target until his guns were "registered". As long as this registration was accomplished within certain parameters his gun would be accurate when traversed onto the other target. I'm not saying this is the case.

But if I were a mortar man playing the Che Guevara role in Iraq, I'm sure I could land a few rounds on my target.

25 posted on 07/12/2003 8:30:02 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Ipse Dixit
I had the great pleasure of meeting Gunny Hathcock, and was given a little guidance that has made me a much better shooter.

I'll never forget him.

26 posted on 07/12/2003 8:31:44 PM PDT by wcbtinman (Only the first one is expensive, all the rest are free.)
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To: fourdeuce82d
from that amount of reading, didn't think it pointed at one guy.

Well, not all the killings. And I'm not agitating for that. But at least two sounded eerily similar. Those two could've been done by the same guy. If you were an insurgent commander, would it not make sense to use the guy as propaganda material? He's "made his bones" so to speak. This is only suspicion on my part. It will probably turn out not to be the case. But should we rule that out? Should we not turn resources on this the same as we would on the "Beltway Sniper" for instance?

27 posted on 07/12/2003 8:35:36 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
"Should we not turn resources on this the same as we would on the "Beltway Sniper" for instance?"

Yes we should. Send Moose to Iraq.

28 posted on 07/12/2003 8:36:36 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: fourdeuce82d
BTW, I'm not talking about the sniper (necessarily) but about the guy who walked right up and shot our guys with pistols.
29 posted on 07/12/2003 8:37:23 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: wcbtinman; Ipse Dixit

Gy. Sgt. Gordon N. Hathcock II

30 posted on 07/12/2003 8:39:42 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: youknow
I shudder to think who might have hired this murderer.
31 posted on 07/12/2003 8:39:50 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: Prodigal Son
the only way I see out of this (and remember I only ever drove a desk for MI, never did field work - and did NOT want to)would be to start using stalking horses. Send out specops teams whose job is simply to inconspicuously follow G.I.s within the known attack areas of the iraqi hitman, so as to eventually be in a position to strike him when he hits another GI.
32 posted on 07/12/2003 8:40:34 PM PDT by ahadams2 (intelligence: the SECOND oldest profession in the world.)
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To: Travis McGee; TEXASPROUD
BTTT
33 posted on 07/12/2003 8:43:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: ahadams2
Well, I'm sure this is being done.
34 posted on 07/12/2003 8:44:19 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ladyinred
Maybe we should send in Dog, to track down the killer!
35 posted on 07/12/2003 8:47:27 PM PDT by mickie
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To: youknow
I expect hundreds of these professionals to develop over time. It's the way for the opposition to win.
36 posted on 07/12/2003 8:54:45 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
It's the way for the opposition to win.

The opposition will not win like this. I hope you understand my opposition to your posts. I really respect many of the things you have to say and have really appreciated your posts in the past (read: The Clinton Past). But I disagree with you on this. Please don't take it personal- in the future, we may wind up allies on a topic. But on this topic, I feel you are altogether wrong and since you are a poster that carries much weight, I will oppose you whenever you are a proponent to this attitude.

The war in Iraq was the right thing to do. That is my two cents. I know it disagrees with your two cents and that is precisely why I posted it.

37 posted on 07/12/2003 9:01:30 PM PDT by Prodigal Son (Teh)
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To: Prodigal Son
This has nothing to do with the morality of the war, the personality of George Bush, or anything else. It is a matter of tactics, mechanics, and theology.

As a practical matter we are considered infidels by a religion that commands adherants to initiate war against those who do not believe in it. This has been established by posts documenting it here. We are also occupying a country where a significant peoportion of the population are what we refer to as terrorists. There is no way to determine who is who. It is easy for someone to sit off 500 yards with a silenced rifle and pick off our people one at a time daily. Who are we to hit in return? If we manage to find one of the snipers, he is apt to believe being killed is an act applauded by Allah. That is the way for our enemies to fight this war to drive us out. It would be wise for the opposition to train hundreds of such people and fight smart.

38 posted on 07/12/2003 9:22:43 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Keep in mind, though, that the Iraqis welcomed Coalition forces as liberators. Also, the Iraqis are broken up into many factions, all of which hate each other.

This isn't Viet Nam, where the enemy was unified.

The gunman will be turned in by one of his own people, or killed by a rival from another group.
39 posted on 07/13/2003 12:06:31 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: Non-Sequitur
They could go a long way toward solving this if they did something that made Fallujah a synonym for "pavement" or "lava field" there...
40 posted on 07/13/2003 12:16:54 AM PDT by Axenolith (Geese... Depositing democrats all over the lawn....)
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