Posted on 07/10/2003 7:12:57 PM PDT by Nachum
WASHINGTON – Consider: In Manchester, England, a radical Muslim who does not even speak English has been elected to the city council, where he needs an interpreter.
Consider: According to the German media, secret Shari'a courts appear to be meting out "justice" in Italy. In that country's north a man known to Muslims as a sex fiend recently showed up with a hand missing. It had obviously been amputated as punishment. Italian doctors report treating Muslim women who had evidently been lashed.
Consider: In France about 70,000 young women, chiefly Muslim, are being subjected to forced marriages every year, according to the country's High Council for Integration. Every year, too, 35,000 girls are either circumcised or under threat of circumcision, HCI related.
These vignettes highlight a dilemma troubling Islam experts on both sides of the Atlantic: Are European governments still masters in their own house? And to what extent will the growth of their Islamic communities have serious repercussions on foreign and domestic affairs?
As terrorism expert Michael Radu of the Philadelphia-based Foreign Policy Research Institute points out, there are between 12 million and 16 million Muslims living in the European Union's 15 member states, "more than in most Arab countries."
Given these figures, Radu wondered in a recent FPRI lecture if EU governments were becoming hostages to these minorities. Many of their members are, after all, voters, an important point to be considered by politicians of all stripes, especially in France.
Radu suggested that this is an important factor in the deteriorating relations between the U.S. and its traditional European allies. "Will the Gulf be a permanent bone of contention between them?" he asked.
Strange Bedfellows Indeed
And what about the conflict surrounding Israel and the Palestinians, with whom Islamism and the radical left share a common cause? Most French intellectuals still have a pro-Palestinian bias, he reminded his audience; they are driven by an "anti-Western, anti-capitalist and romantic Third-Worldism," Radu charged in an interview.
But that's not all. "In certain countries Muslim communities have reached a critical mass, which pushes otherwise lucid politicians to see where their electoral weight lies. In France this is obviously the case. It could be the same elsewhere. In Germany, the number of voters of Turkish origin made the difference that allowed [Chancellor Gerhard] Schroeder to remain in power."
It is not that the French government is indifferent to this peril. For 20 years, left-wing and right-wing administrations labored to form an umbrella group for the nation's leading Muslim organizations. They hoped to create an interlocutor analogous to the Catholic Church or the Protestant Federation, and an institute for training of imams who would preach, in French, the Koran and not politics.
Earlier this year they thought they had succeeded. Elections were held in Muslim congregations for the 50 seats on the national council. The result was a shock. The group around Dalil Boubakeur, the moderate rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, who was supposed to be the council's first leader, won merely two seats. But the most radical organization came in second, with 14 seats.
Worse Than French?
France has 5 million to 6 million Muslims, whose young generation seems particularly troublesome, according to Radu. It is split right down the middle. Half of these young Muslims are almost indistinguishable from their non-Muslim contemporaries.
"But the other half pose a real problem," said Radu. "They reject the French identity. They reject their immigrant parents' national identity. They see them selves not as Frenchmen but as Muslims."
And these young people, about 1 million, are "very vulnerable to recruitment by radicals."
Similarly, a substantial segment of young Muslims in the United Kingdom does not identify with Britain but only with Islam. Thus, Radu said, "it is not surprising that of all Western nations [it] has the largest number of detainees in Guantanamo," where the U.S. holds al-Qaeda and Taliban suspects, including nine British subjects.
In Germany, most of whose 3.5 million Muslims are of Turkish origin, the most unsettling reality is not their radicalism, but the radicalism of those who speak for then.
"The Central Islamic Council of Germany is dominated by Islamists," said Ursula Spuler-Stegemann, who teaches Islamic studies at Marburg University.
She touched on one of the West's key problems in dealing with Islam, a problem Radu also acknowledged: a goofy inclination of Western secular authorities and clerics "to talk to the wrong Muslims," as Radu phrased it. "They seek out the least moderate elements in Islamic society."
Bush's Blunder
This is not an exclusively European phenomenon. In preparing for the war on Iraq, Bush administration officials inexplicably sidelined Mohammed Mohammed Ali, a remarkable Shiite scholar and leader in the Iraqi National Congress, who advocated a secular nation providing a safe haven for his brand of Islam and all other faiths of his country.
Spuler-Stegemann told this correspondent how this annoying "softy mentality" in dealing with Muslims gets in the way of her own efforts to help German educational authorities tackle these issues well.
P.C. Pastors
To hear Spuler-Stegemann, "softy pastors," meaning politically correct clerics, seem to be particularly irksome. And here lies perhaps the greatest peril in the Western world's current Islamist challenge: If the old insight is true that the most efficacious antidote to a bad idea can only be a good idea, then Europe's and, to some extent, America's churches are not living up to expectations.
As for Europe, Radu insists it has entered a "post-religious era," which is not quite correct. Post-post-religious is probably a better description. Spuler-Stegemann and others, this writer included, find an enormous spiritual quest among Europe's young. But this thirst for God is not sufficiently quenched by clerics stuck in 19th-century theological rationalism and inclined to embrace fads.
A Solution
It seems that the answer to the "Islamist problem" is a dialogue between a new and reform-minded breed of Muslim scholars, who are present but often ignored, and the equally new breed of faithful Christian theologians that is emerging on both sides of the Atlantic.
Look around. There are new sprouts of faith everywhere on the Old Continent: evangelical Anglicans in England, spiritually hungry Catholics and Protestants in France, blossoming new faith communities in almost every major European city, including in Germany, which spawned theological rationalism two centuries ago.
That's where the future of a healthy dialogue with Islam lies – not in the cheap sellout of the faith that made Europe what it is, but in its rebirth.
Analysis by Uwe Siemon-Netto, UPI religion editor.
Copyright 2003 by United Press International.
All rights reserved.
It seems that a better answer is to halt Muslim immigration--and to keep in mind that the declared intention of Islam is the establishment of a world-wide Muslim theocracy with the Koran as the only constitution and the shariah as international law.
If Europeans lack the will to survive, they deserve what they get.
You got that right. Unfortunately we're trying hard to catch up to the Europeans' self-destruction. Some 70,000 to 100,000 muslims are allowed to legally, permanently immigrate to the USA every year.
<snip><snip><snip><snip>That's some "religion of peace" they got there.
I don't get it. How can the Left howl on and on about the Inquisition whenever they bash Christians, yet they remain utterly silent about its 21st century Muslim equivalent?
Oh...now I remember...both groups have a common enemy: the United States of America.
-Jay
The point I'm trying to make is that parroting the popular mantra that it's really a faith of "peace" and that it's been hijacked by extremists is a crock and has been thus since the beginning. The religion has insinuated itself into the very fabric of American life. In the text book I use when I teach world history...Islam occupies a total of FOUR chapters. Christianity and Hinduism and Buddhism and all the rest....take up a portion of one chapter...the same one for all of them. My peers who teach this are mostly liberals who embrace the tripe..but for those of us who know the reality, it's still very difficult to communicate that in a liberal school system without being immediately and terminally (to the career) being branded a racist. I usually deal with this by glossing over the four chapters and having lots of class discussions which leads the kids to form their own conclusions. Most of them get it right, but some don't.
Underrating this stuff is going to prove deadly unless we take action soon. This is the overriding threat to freedom in the world today. I am very much afraid that no matter what we do, no matter how well we negotiate, no matter what...this is going to come to a winner take all confrontation in a global sense. I could see this coming down to that "final" battle as foretold in the Bible.
There are good aspects to Mexican culture. We have many employees of Mexican descent who are hard workers and good people. Many of my near neighbors are of Mexican descent, and they're great neighbors. Friendly, outgoing, helpful, well, you name it, you could ask for little more.
Unfortunately the current invasion includes some real scumbags as well. All over Houston neighborhoods you see stolen shopping carts. In many stores it's so bad they install wheels that are supposed to lock up when the cart goes outside the parking lot. 99% of the stolen carts are taken by "hispanic" people. You don't see blacks, whites or asians with them.
The scumbags have no respect for property whatsoever, what's theirs is theirs, and what's yours is theirs.
We're getting some of the dregs of Mexican culture, not just the cream, as it would be if we had reasonable immigration controls.
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