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Europe Grows Hostage to its Muslims
Newsmax ^ | July 10, 2003 | Uwe Siemon-Netto

Posted on 07/10/2003 7:12:57 PM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON – Consider: In Manchester, England, a radical Muslim who does not even speak English has been elected to the city council, where he needs an interpreter.

Consider: According to the German media, secret Shari'a courts appear to be meting out "justice" in Italy. In that country's north a man known to Muslims as a sex fiend recently showed up with a hand missing. It had obviously been amputated as punishment. Italian doctors report treating Muslim women who had evidently been lashed.

Consider: In France about 70,000 young women, chiefly Muslim, are being subjected to forced marriages every year, according to the country's High Council for Integration. Every year, too, 35,000 girls are either circumcised or under threat of circumcision, HCI related.

These vignettes highlight a dilemma troubling Islam experts on both sides of the Atlantic: Are European governments still masters in their own house? And to what extent will the growth of their Islamic communities have serious repercussions on foreign and domestic affairs?

As terrorism expert Michael Radu of the Philadelphia-based Foreign Policy Research Institute points out, there are between 12 million and 16 million Muslims living in the European Union's 15 member states, "more than in most Arab countries."

Given these figures, Radu wondered in a recent FPRI lecture if EU governments were becoming hostages to these minorities. Many of their members are, after all, voters, an important point to be considered by politicians of all stripes, especially in France.

Radu suggested that this is an important factor in the deteriorating relations between the U.S. and its traditional European allies. "Will the Gulf be a permanent bone of contention between them?" he asked.

Strange Bedfellows Indeed

And what about the conflict surrounding Israel and the Palestinians, with whom Islamism and the radical left share a common cause? Most French intellectuals still have a pro-Palestinian bias, he reminded his audience; they are driven by an "anti-Western, anti-capitalist and romantic Third-Worldism," Radu charged in an interview.

But that's not all. "In certain countries Muslim communities have reached a critical mass, which pushes otherwise lucid politicians to see where their electoral weight lies. In France this is obviously the case. It could be the same elsewhere. In Germany, the number of voters of Turkish origin made the difference that allowed [Chancellor Gerhard] Schroeder to remain in power."

It is not that the French government is indifferent to this peril. For 20 years, left-wing and right-wing administrations labored to form an umbrella group for the nation's leading Muslim organizations. They hoped to create an interlocutor analogous to the Catholic Church or the Protestant Federation, and an institute for training of imams who would preach, in French, the Koran and not politics.

Earlier this year they thought they had succeeded. Elections were held in Muslim congregations for the 50 seats on the national council. The result was a shock. The group around Dalil Boubakeur, the moderate rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, who was supposed to be the council's first leader, won merely two seats. But the most radical organization came in second, with 14 seats.

Worse Than French?

France has 5 million to 6 million Muslims, whose young generation seems particularly troublesome, according to Radu. It is split right down the middle. Half of these young Muslims are almost indistinguishable from their non-Muslim contemporaries.

"But the other half pose a real problem," said Radu. "They reject the French identity. They reject their immigrant parents' national identity. They see them selves not as Frenchmen but as Muslims."

And these young people, about 1 million, are "very vulnerable to recruitment by radicals."

Similarly, a substantial segment of young Muslims in the United Kingdom does not identify with Britain but only with Islam. Thus, Radu said, "it is not surprising that of all Western nations [it] has the largest number of detainees in Guantanamo," where the U.S. holds al-Qaeda and Taliban suspects, including nine British subjects.

In Germany, most of whose 3.5 million Muslims are of Turkish origin, the most unsettling reality is not their radicalism, but the radicalism of those who speak for then.

"The Central Islamic Council of Germany is dominated by Islamists," said Ursula Spuler-Stegemann, who teaches Islamic studies at Marburg University.

She touched on one of the West's key problems in dealing with Islam, a problem Radu also acknowledged: a goofy inclination of Western secular authorities and clerics "to talk to the wrong Muslims," as Radu phrased it. "They seek out the least moderate elements in Islamic society."

Bush's Blunder

This is not an exclusively European phenomenon. In preparing for the war on Iraq, Bush administration officials inexplicably sidelined Mohammed Mohammed Ali, a remarkable Shiite scholar and leader in the Iraqi National Congress, who advocated a secular nation providing a safe haven for his brand of Islam and all other faiths of his country.

Spuler-Stegemann told this correspondent how this annoying "softy mentality" in dealing with Muslims gets in the way of her own efforts to help German educational authorities tackle these issues well.

P.C. Pastors

To hear Spuler-Stegemann, "softy pastors," meaning politically correct clerics, seem to be particularly irksome. And here lies perhaps the greatest peril in the Western world's current Islamist challenge: If the old insight is true that the most efficacious antidote to a bad idea can only be a good idea, then Europe's and, to some extent, America's churches are not living up to expectations.

As for Europe, Radu insists it has entered a "post-religious era," which is not quite correct. Post-post-religious is probably a better description. Spuler-Stegemann and others, this writer included, find an enormous spiritual quest among Europe's young. But this thirst for God is not sufficiently quenched by clerics stuck in 19th-century theological rationalism and inclined to embrace fads.

A Solution

It seems that the answer to the "Islamist problem" is a dialogue between a new and reform-minded breed of Muslim scholars, who are present but often ignored, and the equally new breed of faithful Christian theologians that is emerging on both sides of the Atlantic.

Look around. There are new sprouts of faith everywhere on the Old Continent: evangelical Anglicans in England, spiritually hungry Catholics and Protestants in France, blossoming new faith communities in almost every major European city, including in Germany, which spawned theological rationalism two centuries ago.

That's where the future of a healthy dialogue with Islam lies – not in the cheap sellout of the faith that made Europe what it is, but in its rebirth.

Analysis by Uwe Siemon-Netto, UPI religion editor.

Copyright 2003 by United Press International.

All rights reserved.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britishmuslims; clashofcivilizatio; culturewar; europe; europelist; hostage; islam; jihadnextdoor; muslims; radicalmuslims; religion
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1 posted on 07/10/2003 7:12:57 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Intersting.

Well, if you read leading Western Muslim evangelists, the aim is to reconvert Spain and parts of Eastern Europe to Islam first and then to convert secular Western Europe to Islam.

I would think that the new European Union governemnnet that is forming with its embrace of homosecual rights, abortion and such would actually be afraid of Europes slow conversion to Islam as it poses the single real threat to their vision of a unified and totally secularized Europe.
2 posted on 07/10/2003 7:24:40 PM PDT by Douglas
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3 posted on 07/10/2003 7:27:06 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Nachum
Hurah for the New World Order!

Can't we all get ???

4 posted on 07/10/2003 7:30:24 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian
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To: Nachum
The sad thing is that everyone might see the problem but nobody will ever do anything. Europe is toast and it's their own doing. If you let too many immigrants just pour in over a short amount of time they bring in their own culture instead of adopting yours.

Unfortunately, we have a somewhat similar situation on our Southern border and nobody has the courage to stop that either. Controlled immigration is one thing, but we have an invasion going on down here. I admire the Mexican people but I don't want their culture to replace mine.
5 posted on 07/10/2003 7:30:55 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Nachum
http://mason.gmu.edu/~walford/talibanfrance.htm

17-year-old Sohane Benziane rolled in agony as she vainly tried to extinguish her burning flesh. Moments before, she cowered, drenched in gasoline as a teenaged boy advanced, menacing her with a lighter. As she was set ablaze, the boy’s friends only watched. She died in a nearby hospital shortly thereafter. Young Sohane bore the consequences a woman can expect for saying no to a man who wants to possess her.

This did not happen in the Third World or the Balkan War. It happened in Vitry-sur-Seine, France in Oct. 2002. Neither was this an isolated occurrence. Taliban-like subjugation of women has become commonplace in this 1960’s-era housing project, which has become a crime-ridden North African ghetto. Any young female who dares to so much as show her face in this Parisian suburb risks taunts, threats and worse...

...Leftist theoreticians who brought us abortion-on-demand, unlimited immigration and cultural relativism have once again ignored the Law of Unforeseen Consequences. A population that was not raised to believe in peaceful coexistence with other cultures or ‘alternate lifestyles’ is demographically supplanting us. They despise our freedom and yet come to reap its economic fruits. The likely outcome of a continuation on this path is predictable...
6 posted on 07/10/2003 7:33:24 PM PDT by walford (The truth cannot be made, only discovered)
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To: Reagan is King
I love it that Bush is willing to contribute troops to liberia but does or says nothing about the invasion of the southern American borders.

One day you wake up having been a "good" conservative going along to get along with that program and you realize something just ain't adding up here.
7 posted on 07/10/2003 7:34:40 PM PDT by Douglas
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To: Nachum
High Council for Integration

What the hell?

8 posted on 07/10/2003 7:40:15 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: Nachum
Europe Grows More Willing Hostage to its Muslims
9 posted on 07/10/2003 7:43:11 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (Once a soldier, always a soldier. They enemies of freedom never rest.)
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To: Douglas
BORDERS LANGUAGE CULTURE. Anybody here see a future in Ameica where it is any better than today? By the time the Bushes & the Klintoons get done we are in 3rd world climate, BABY!
11 posted on 07/10/2003 7:46:19 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Digger
Man you get it. Its all a sham. The powers that be want a new world order. They want control of your life and mine (think Homeland security bill and read some of the things in there).

Has anyone noticed the budget has grown more under a Republican contrlled Senate, House and presidency than it ever did under a Democrat.

Bush is not friend to the little guy or to the America many here profess to love.

That the majority of freepers are letting Bush and Cheney lead them around by their noses is discouraging. Reminds me of that idiot Hannity. A shill for Bush.
12 posted on 07/10/2003 7:59:11 PM PDT by Douglas
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To: walford
That was beautifully put, Walford.
Shari'a law practiced in defiance of their host countries, women regarded as chattel, abused and mutilated. The cult has inundated Europe. Have a Nice Reverse-Crusade.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, W is having a hard time plinking varmints for all the illegals scurrying across and getting in the way of his aim. Hard to look serious about national security with all these low-skill, non-adaptive Mexicans displacing American jobs and overwhelming systems meant for needy citizens.
13 posted on 07/10/2003 8:01:00 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (The Ford Foundation. Google it, I dare you.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
<Can't we all get ???

Along?
15 posted on 07/10/2003 8:02:00 PM PDT by Norse
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To: seamole
That secular emptiness is brought to you, taught to you and litigated for you by the Democrat Party during the last three decades. We had a culture going but they blew it.
17 posted on 07/10/2003 8:10:58 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Democrats are generous people...with your earnings.)
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To: Nachum
"There are new sprouts of faith everywhere on the Old Continent: evangelical Anglicans in England, spiritually hungry Catholics and Protestants in France, blossoming new faith communities in almost every major European city, including in Germany, which spawned theological rationalism two centuries ago. "

Well there is a little glimmer of hope in that article.

But frankly what I see happening, is when the Christians are raptured, the Muslims will dominate and embrace the anti-Christ. It'll be a one world nightmare.

18 posted on 07/10/2003 8:11:32 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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19 posted on 07/10/2003 8:11:35 PM PDT by autoresponder (. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: Nachum
Liberalism, with its political correctness and moral relativism, will be the death of civilization. If Europeans are so fearful of asserting their own values that they allow Sharia brutality to take place unpunished, then the war is over, and we lost, because I see no indication that Americans are any more willing to stand up for our culture. We see the same kind of irrational and self-destructive policies in the US. Here in California, despite a $38 billion deficit, taxpayer money continues to be misused for countless benefits for illegal aliens, who are literally taking over the state. When will people say, Enough is enough?
20 posted on 07/10/2003 8:19:34 PM PDT by giotto
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