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A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?
Toogood Reports ^ | July 8 | Lowell Phillips

Posted on 07/08/2003 7:08:39 AM PDT by F_Cohen

Is It A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?

By Lowell Phillips Tuesday July 8, 2003

Toogood Reports

"This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Don't start hammering out the hate mail just yet. Those aren't my words, but those of a bona fide "gay rights" activist. Amid the orgy of celebration (pun intended) following the Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, striking down sodomy laws, Molly McKay, spokeswoman for Marriage Equality California proclaimed,

"This month has been filled with hope... This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Few on either side of what remains of the ideological debate could argue.

It must also be a glorious and beautiful time to sit on the imperial U.S. Supreme Court. Honestly now, could there be a better gig? Granted, getting there is no simple feat. But once you have accumulated just enough gray hair, paid homage to the miscarriages of those who have preceded you and aced the litmus tests, you are set for life and free to indulge in philosophical flights of fancy.

Sure, the job description mentions something called "The Constitution" and adherence to it, but you know that the notion of it being a "living document" entitles you to make it whatever you want it to be. Comically, some of your colleges, one is a black man who's a traitor to his race, another a spiteful Italian, harp about this thing called "original intent" and prattle on about "the Founding Gentlemen," " the Drafting Fathers" or something like that, thus preventing them from making their own rules, as others have. Whatever they're called, they certainly could not know what they meant as well as you do.

The recent decisions of the high court have again proven that it is not a forum within which the survival of our republic is assured, but rather one where two-dimensional, feel-good social thinking outweighs codified constitutional safeguards. Indeed its actions show that our once sacred document no longer lives. The illusion of life is maintained, however, by regularly applied swats and kicks to its hollow carcass.

The Second Amendment "right of the people to keep and bear arms" to some, though succinctly written, never existed. And if it did, it could not possibly have been expected to apply in an era when modern weaponry would pose such a dire threat to the collective good. But when it was written, corporations and ad hoc associations could easily match the firepower of the federal government (see: The Whisky Rebellion of 1794). Whatever the power of modern weaponry today, such groups could not possibly hold out for long against the U.S. government, or a local police force for that matter. As such, the "threat" to the collective good today is miniscule as compared to the time of drafting of the Constitution.

But those were barbaric times and government has evolved into a benign servant of people and can assure that criminals will never be armed and roaming the streets. Right?

Funds extorted from the American people and then returned as an entitlement opiate, along with the whims of the activist judges, have been instrumental in rendering the Tenth Amendment meaningless. It clearly states,

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

But very little remains outside the purview of the federal government, and as such this represents nothing more than a quaint reminder of a time when this country was something called "a republic".

The concept of "diversity" represents a "compelling state interest", assuming erroneously that the term, as it relates to public policy, is definable. But whatever it means, the decision in Grutter vs. Bollinger affirms that it trumps the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. While the University of Michigan and all publicly funded institutions are asked not to be so obvious as to assign a specific point structure, they may certainly continue to favor some over others based on skin color.

The distortions of the meanings behind the Constitution are sweeping, and though never stated outright, the assumption must be that the Drafter's intentions were to deconstruct their entire culture.

Not only were they intellectually enlightened, the Founders were also largely pious men, which despite modern interpretations are not mutually exclusive. In a step to assure the free practice of religion and to prevent the establishment of an American version of the Anglican Church, they spelled out in the First Amendment,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Yet somehow the courts interpret this to mean that any and every reference to, or expression of, faith is prohibited in the public square. Moreover, the aforementioned abandonment of the Tenth Amendment and near universal distribution of federal dollars insure that no municipality, however tiny, or faith-based organization, however benign, is unaffected by this misrepresentation.

But the truest illustration of the Founders assumed desire to lay waste to all they knew is the dogged recognition of the constitutionally unenumerated "right to privacy". Whether this alleged right is derived from a creative reading of the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th or 14th Amendment, or a combination of them, the result is to place all morality on an unstable foundation.

"Good," the response often is. Following the Supreme Courts ruling in Lawrence vs. Texas, Democrat Rep. James P. Moran of Virginia commented,

"The government has no business regulating or legislating morality, and it certainly has no business interfering with this very private action between consenting adults..."

There is nothing remotely unusual about the statement. Such sentiments pass for acumen, but are nothing of the sort. On the contrary, this is screaming stupidity. To suggest that law, any law, can be enacted apart from morality is ludicrous. It is no more possible than attempting to breath without inhaling. They are one and the same.

No matter if it is found in the text of the Constitution or born of the legislature, when broken down to its basic components law ends up being a "because it's right" or "because it's wrong" issue. And conclusions of right and wrong are moral judgments. Period. Few would argue that rape should be permitted, but when put to a series of "whys", it comes down to "because it's wrong". The same holds for any crime.

Writing for the majority in Lawrence vs. Texas, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy proclaimed,

"Freedom extends beyond spatial bounds. Liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression and certain intimate conduct... Adults may choose to enter upon this relationship in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons... The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime..."

Noted by many "intolerant" right-wingers is that, while directed at decriminalizing homosexual sodomy, this leaves the door wide open for endless actions that can be said to fall under the manufactured right to privacy.

Although ridiculed, vilified and generally ignored by the politically correct intelligentsia, Justice Antonin Scalia responded with the undeniable,

"States continue to prosecute all sorts of crimes by adults in matters pertaining to sex: prostitution, adult incest, adultery, obscenity, and child pornography...This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review..."

The notion of a right to privacy, entangled with an increasing creative application of the "Equal Protection Clause" and the vacuous term "consenting adults" sweeps the moral, and thereby legal, underpinnings out from beneath American culture, human civilization, and to a great extent natural law. If the thinking behind rulings like Lawrence vs. Texas and Roe vs. Wade is in keeping with the Constitution, exactly where is the rationale for forbidding homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, polygamy, bestiality, drug use, adult incest, prostitution and child pornography?

It does not exist.

The term "consenting adults" is itself a clear statement of moral judgment. An age at which consent can legally be given is set according to what is considered morally appropriate, and has no definitive connection to emotional, intellectual or physical maturity.

The idea that what is now considered "statutory rape" or even "pedophilia" could ever be legitimized is far from the minds of average Americans. But so too were thoughts that homosexuality would be deemed "normal", that "gender" would be a subjective concept, and that homosexual "marriage" would be seriously contemplated to Americans not long ago.

The malleability of modern moral standards is already setting the philosophical groundwork. Throughout the media children are increasingly objectified sexually. Contraception and pregnancy termination have established sex in our emerging reality as nothing more than a recreational activity. Instruction is given in all variations with public dollars in schools, along with contraceptives and abortion on demand, free from restrictions of parental oversight. And parenting itself on the subject of sex is more and more often summed up in the phrase, "well, they're going to do it anyway".

Children are increasingly asserting their independence through the courts, challenging dress codes, drug testing, locker searches and winning on alleged constitutional grounds. Considering the intellectual acrobatics necessary to find a "right to abortion" in the Constitution, a conclusion that ages of consent are arbitrary and that denying children the right to give consent constitutes a violation of the Equal Protection Clause should be easy; perhaps not today, or next year but a decade or two from now.

Noted champions of the "gay rights" movement have for years romanticized "man-boy" love in literature, like Paul Russell in his book "The Coming Storm," David Leavitt in "Martin Bauman; or, A Sure Thing," Agustin Gomez-Arcos in "The Carnivorous Lamb," and others. Such works are published by major companies and available at your local bookstore.

Much as the acceptance of homosexuality by the psychiatric profession and its removal from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973 was a watershed in the mainstreaming of this "lifestyle," so too will it be for those who wish to engage in sex with minors, euphemistically referred to as "intergenerational intimacy."

As far back as the mid-1980's experts like Dr. David Finkelhor had concluded that,

"[A] body of opinion and research has emerged in recent years which is trying hard to vindicate homosexual pedophilia."

In 1998 the American Psychological Association (APA) published the essay "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples" which concluded that sexual contact between children and adults was not necessarily harmful, decried the "indiscriminate use" of terms like "child sexual abuse," "victim" and "perpetrator," and that "a willing encounter with positive reactions would be labeled simply adult-child sex." Mainstream commentators like Andrew Sullivan embraced the thinking and Judith Levine mirrored it in her 2002 publication of "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex," with a foreword by former Clinton Surgeon General Joycelyn M. Elders.

Mental health professionals attending the May 19, 2003 convention of the American Psychiatric Association in San Francisco proposed removing several categories of mental illness from the DSM, including exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism, as well as pedophilia. CNS News reported on the event and on Dr. Frederick Berlin, from the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital who argued that adults that feel a sexual attraction to children should not be made to feel shame and was quoted as saying,

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children..."

Linda Ames Nicolosi of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) protested and concluded, as any clear thinker should,

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?...It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

With the ever-expanding, extra-constitutional right to privacy, the inventive application of the Equal Protection Clause, in conjunction with our moral devolution spearheaded by the psychiatric profession, adult-child sex may one day be legal. With the discovery by our learned Supreme Court Justices of the "right to abortion" and now the "right to sodomy," the day may not be far away when sex with children is considered "fundamental" and "constitutional." And when that day comes, ask we might, but it's doubtful that G-d will any longer bless America.


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To: F_Cohen
The Constitution does not forbid age-related restrictions. Indeed, it contains several.

-Eric

81 posted on 07/08/2003 11:00:40 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Ok, then answer the question for yourself and stop changing the topic to some political party which has nothing to do with the question.
82 posted on 07/08/2003 11:03:01 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Many children have the capasity to consent

Many adults don't have the capacity to spell.

83 posted on 07/08/2003 11:04:52 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: E Rocc
The Constitution does not forbid age-related restrictions. Indeed, it contains several.

Name one that puts restrictions on consent or citizenship.

84 posted on 07/08/2003 11:04:54 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
So you propose that the insane and demented do not enjoy full citizenship.

Their rights are not dependant on citizenship. I suggest that they cannot give consent. Their rights are intact. Unlike your intellect.

85 posted on 07/08/2003 11:04:58 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: af_vet_rr
If you read Justice Kennedy's majority opinion you will very seriously think they might do just that. He makes it very clear that history, religion, tradition or majority opinion are not grounds for prohibiting what most consider abnormal and immoral behavior. Within 24hrs. of the Lawrence case a Kansas court struck down the decision against an 18 year old boy who had sex with a 15 year old boy. It seems to me that it is now just a matter of age. If 18 is all right how about 21 or 25. And if 15 is all right then why not 13 or 10. After all age is such a relative thing. Based on Kennedy's opinion what are the grounds for ruling against pedophilia. I fully expect NAMBLA to start a case through the courts in the not too distant future. You may not want to think of such things, but hoping they won't come to pass won't stop them.
86 posted on 07/08/2003 11:05:12 AM PDT by redangus
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To: af_vet_rr
YOu can't use logic with these people, they are too used to Democratic scare-tactics to achieve their menas to stop now.

Not only is a child not allowed to consent, an adult is not allowed to accept the consent of a child.
87 posted on 07/08/2003 11:06:31 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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To: cinFLA
Perhaps you should consult your dictionary before using "big words" like screed.

Perhaps your should consult your head doctor before posting.

88 posted on 07/08/2003 11:06:46 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: drjoe
See my Post #8. But if I was going to try to second guess the legal minds of the day I would think these fine minds would reason as follows: "Well, what the hell. If we can kill animals and eat them, we might as well have fun and screw 'em first."
89 posted on 07/08/2003 11:07:12 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: chiefqc
The next preversion to go before this decaying group will be even more evil, and will once again this group will set themselves up to invent new rules they feel are just.

I'm not making a prediction, mind you, but if I were you I would get to know the undertakers in your area and find one that you can trust when your wife or daughter dies.

That's all I'm gonna say about that.

Shalom.

90 posted on 07/08/2003 11:10:23 AM PDT by ArGee (If you can read this your computer may be infected with a virus.)
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To: redangus
I fully expect NAMBLA to start a case through the courts in the not too distant future.

Better not hold your breath.

91 posted on 07/08/2003 11:12:01 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Protagoras
stop changing the topic

I’m not. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of Liberaltarians arguing against the legislature using the 10th to make sodomy laws and not when it comes to AoC laws using the homosexual propaganda “capacity to consent”. Apparently that point flew over your head from the git-go.

92 posted on 07/08/2003 11:13:26 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: tdadams
Many adults don't have the capacity to spell.

You are pinging me on spelling you lowlife hypocrite.

93 posted on 07/08/2003 11:15:29 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: cinFLA
The word screed is defined as a long, monotonous harangue. Precisely what you have done here for years. Ever since your obsession took over.
94 posted on 07/08/2003 11:15:52 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Enterprise
what kind of a perverted individual are you? just because an act is commited behind closed doors does not mke it morally right. that it involves consenting adults is also not very compelling either. a society makes a statement about itself by what it prohibits and allows (whether in privacy or not). The dead should be sanctified and not used as sexual objects (a thoroughly disgusting idea). animals are not to be abused because they are property. a stroke of the judicial pen could make juveniles "consenting adults" also. things are wrong because they are wrong inherently. just because liberal perverts and their aclu allies have an act declared legal by fiat does not sanction it morally.
95 posted on 07/08/2003 11:16:32 AM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: ArGee
That's all I'm gonna say about that.

OK Forest. LOL

96 posted on 07/08/2003 11:17:15 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
No point flew over my head. I don't know anything about "liberaltarians" or any other tired worn out childish labels you kids throw around in lieu of thoughtful commentary.

The question in the court's decision has to do with the rightful role of government in a free society. But that apparently flew over your head.

So answer the question, what age do you suggest?

97 posted on 07/08/2003 11:21:19 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
i think 75% of the people in this modern day and age are nuts, immature, and just plain eaten up with dumba$$. so laws against sodomy, prostitution, etc. are still valid.
99 posted on 07/08/2003 11:23:08 AM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: attiladhun2
LOL! I agree with everything you posted. I strongly condemn pedophilia, necrophilia, and bestiality. My postings are tongue in cheek, and not to be taken as an endorsement of these vile things.
100 posted on 07/08/2003 11:23:42 AM PDT by Enterprise
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