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Border Patrol Continues to Fight Flux of Illegal Immigrants
Fox News ^ | 7/02/2003 | Fox News.COM

Posted on 07/02/2003 5:22:03 PM PDT by xrp

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:36:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: immigrantlist; immigrants; invasion; mexico; welfare
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To: HiJinx
Hey, HJ!
Good to see you, pard!

Maybe some have seen illegals with enough money to fly or to pay someone to smuggle them in by air, but I've seen hundreds cross the border and I've yet to see one who appeared to have enough money to buy a taco, much less an airline ticket.
As far as their future employers paying for their ticket, what employer is going to invest that much money in an illegal he's never seen?

61 posted on 07/02/2003 9:07:42 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: HiJinx
Yes, they know it. We find all sorts of documentation, to include matriculas consulares. I guess that shows how valuable those cards really are.
62 posted on 07/02/2003 9:08:16 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I would be so frustrated I'd leave and never look back. I'm pissed as hell about it from here. If I had to watch it happening every night I couldn't take it. You talk about getting one in five, but that's just where you can see them.

One of you mentioned how many the INS catches per year. Do you remember that number? It would be helpful to contrast with the one in five or ten figure.
63 posted on 07/02/2003 9:11:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: FreeReign
Got any clue how long it takes to train a Border Patrol agent? Or how long it takes for him or her to learn the real ropes on the job?
64 posted on 07/02/2003 9:11:55 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: FreeReign
The relocation of agents and decision on a physical barrier adds to the strain agents on the southwestern border are experiencing as they try to prevent the flow of
illegal immigrants.
65 posted on 07/02/2003 9:14:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: TexasCowboy; JackelopeBreeder
JackelopeBreeder has discovered what he thinks is a travel route for more affluent illegals. The poor ones, like the ones you see, come up along the river. The ones with money are crossing at the Coronado National Monument and traveling along the higher ridges and into the canyons leading down to the state highway that runs through Sierra Vista.

They fly from the Yucatan to Guadalajara, then take a bus or private vehicle to the border towns.
66 posted on 07/02/2003 9:14:30 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right Person, in the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Got any clue how long it takes to train a Border Patrol agent?

It seems that the agents I know have gone back east for about a six month training? I know that does not include on the job training, and of course learning the ropes.

But I think it is good that positions were expanded. They can hardly hold a gun to somebody's head and make them stay down south. They also can't snap their fingers and have a fully trained agent appear to fill the now vacated position.

67 posted on 07/02/2003 9:15:29 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: DoughtyOne
"How did those illlegals get a ticket to fly on the airlines and board, if they are illegal?"

They use the Mexican matricular card. The House of Representatives has been having a hearing this week on Mexican IDs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/936316/posts

The last paragraph on that page will explain that the Mexican IDs can be used to board airplanes. Homeland Security,airport security, congress, the presidente and the FBI are all aware. The only people that are unaware are the American passengers who fly.
68 posted on 07/02/2003 9:16:29 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: texastoo
There you go. It helps to ask questions. Mexico now sets our foreign and domestic policy. Just in time for homeland defense, Mexico comes up with it's own ID. I'm sure that was just coincidence. And I'm sure our officials knew nothing about it. You know damned well there were back door communications on this.
69 posted on 07/02/2003 9:20:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: TexasCowboy
I have a big stack of tickets sitting here on my desk. People are flying into Hermosillo from all over Mexico before taking the short taxi or bus ride to the border. A lot of these people are not escaping off the bean farm.

I constantly find backpacks full of very high quality clothing and cosmetics. One of my daughter's friends found a bag full of very fancy jewelry which turned out to be genuine -- found a block from my house and some senora is still mourning that loss.
70 posted on 07/02/2003 9:21:19 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: DoughtyOne
It's a defacto amnesty, be assured of that. You knew that 'amnesty' was the solution to the juxtaposition of illegals and homeland security didn't you?
71 posted on 07/02/2003 9:22:10 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Yep. It's in the bag!
72 posted on 07/02/2003 9:25:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
From that article on the Mexican ID's:

"The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the matricula consular is not a reliable form of identification," said Steven McCraw, assistant director of the FBI's intelligence office.

I don't care that the article says the administration has a "tolerance" for the ID's. That means they're not raising a stink over it themselves. But look above---you can bet the DOJ is not acting as a rogue department.

73 posted on 07/02/2003 9:26:47 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Black Agnes
It's a defacto amnesty, be assured of that. You knew that 'amnesty' was the solution to the juxtaposition of illegals and homeland security didn't you?

Hmmmm

Crackdown on illegals = defacto amnesty...

Nope. I don't see it.

74 posted on 07/02/2003 9:28:17 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Matricular Consular ID is a defacto amnesty. Especially since our gov is insisting on its validity for official business. If they're cracking down on illegals for real, how come my neighborhood is flooded still?
75 posted on 07/02/2003 9:29:22 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: cyncooper
Well they are voicing their opinions on them, but that doesn't mean they are invalidating them. That would have to come from the top IMO. And I don't see that happening. For all the talk about cracking down, I think this is just more smoke and mirrors. Hey if it turns out not to be, I will be a very happy camper to take my lumps.
76 posted on 07/02/2003 9:30:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: All
Thanks for the converstation folks. Take care everyone.
77 posted on 07/02/2003 9:31:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: sarasmom
GWB is delusion if he thinks the AARP and illegal immigrants will vote for him in 2004. After all, why vote for GWB when you could get the real deal in a Democrat.
78 posted on 07/02/2003 9:33:57 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: cyncooper
I can mass produce just about any Mexican documentation on my computer here at the house -- and I have real specimens to work from.

Allow me to introduce myself. I am Luis Martinez, formerly of Ixhuatlan just southeast of Mexico City. And I have all sorts of excellent documentation, to include an original birth certificate, to prove myself. The blondish hair and blue eyes are just a genetic oddity...
79 posted on 07/02/2003 9:34:19 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: DoughtyOne
The relocation of agents and decision on a physical barrier adds to the strain agents on the southwestern border are experiencing as they try to prevent the flow of illegal immigrants.

Now that we have clarified what the CBP is doing, and now that you have switched to your new comment about strain -- I agree.

80 posted on 07/02/2003 9:36:03 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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