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Time to Part Company
WorldNet Daily | 9/13/2000 | Dr. Walter E. Williams

Posted on 06/30/2003 6:03:55 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty

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Texas secession - It's time to part company

Government Opinion (Published) Keywords: SECESSION TEXAS LOUISANA
Source: WorldNetDaily
Published: 09/13/2000 Author: Walter Williams
Posted on 09/13/2000 11:45:49 PDT by cbkaty

It's time to part company

One political question we have to answer is whether George W. Bush or Albert Gore shall be president, and just which party will control the House of Representatives and the Senate. But I'd suggest that there's a far more important long-run question we must answer: If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives, and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences, or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?

Like a marriage that has gone bad, I believe there are enough irreconcilable differences between those who want to control and those want to be left alone that divorce is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

Let's look at just some of the magnitude of the violations. Article 1, Section 8 of our Constitution enumerates the activities for which Congress is authorized to tax and spend. James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, explained it in The Federalist Papers: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."

Nowhere among the enumerated powers of Congress is there authority to tax and spend for: Social Security, public education, farm subsidies, bank bailouts, food stamps and other activities that represent roughly two-thirds of the federal budget. Neither is there authority for Congress' mandates to the states and people about how they may use their land, the speed at which they can drive, whether a library has wheelchair ramps and the gallons of water used per toilet flush. A list of congressional violations of the letter and spirit of the Constitution is virtually without end.

Americans who wish to live free have two options: We can resist, fight and risk bloodshed to force America's tyrants to respect our liberties and human rights, or we can seek a peaceful resolution of our irreconcilable differences by separating. That can be done by peopling several states, say Texas and Louisiana, controlling their legislatures and then issuing a unilateral declaration of independence just as the Founders did in 1776.

You say, "Williams, nobody has to go that far, just get involved in the political process and vote for the right person." That's nonsense. Liberty shouldn't require a vote. It's a God-given or natural right.

Some independence or secessionists movements, such as our 1776 war with England and our 1861 War Between the States, have been violent, but they need not be. In 1905, Norway seceded from Sweden, Panama seceded from Columbia (1903), and West Virginia from Virginia (1863). Nonetheless, violent secession can lead to great friendships. England is probably our greatest ally and we have fought three major wars together. There is no reason why Texiana (Texas and Louisiana) couldn't peaceably secede, be an ally and have strong economic ties with United States.

The bottom line question for all of us is should we part company or continue trying to forcibly impose our wills on one another?

WorldNetDaily contributor Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va.


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To: Scenic Sounds


"Secession?  Not now, not ever.  Never!"
21 posted on 06/30/2003 7:22:18 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Founding Father
No, we better not. It leads to nothing but lost lawsuits.
22 posted on 06/30/2003 7:22:26 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: No!
Being majority means WHAT, exactly?

I understand that the US is a Republic -- but it has some democratic institutions, so the concept of "majority wins" is not alien to America.

But look at the Leftists long love affair with Affirmative Action. That's basically a ploy saying, "Whether we are right or wrong, we feel that most of society has certain feelings about people with dark skin. We feel that most of society is wrong. So, we'll stack the deck and make damn sure that the minority comes out on top, no matter what the majority thinks." They hate democracy! What's the name of their political party? I forget.

Look at filibusters. That's a ploy saying, "Most of the senate has certain feelings about pending legislation and judicial nominations. Most of the senate is wrong. So, we'll stack the deck and make damn sure that the minority comes out on top, no matter what the majority thinks." They hate democracy!!

23 posted on 06/30/2003 7:22:37 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
"if the 10th amendment is a dead letter, as you say, this is one more nail in the coffin. "

Forget the Tenth, they have now removed the limitation of the Ninth Amendment.

A branch of the Federal government exercised power to determine and to abridge our unenumerated rights.

24 posted on 06/30/2003 7:27:32 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Nick Danger
Well said, sadly.
25 posted on 06/30/2003 7:30:38 PM PDT by visualops (The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.)
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To: gcruse
Sam Houston -- a Texan Unionist hero for all America.
26 posted on 06/30/2003 7:33:47 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: wardaddy; aomagrat; Colt .45; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices; GOPcapitalist; rustbucket
bump
27 posted on 06/30/2003 7:36:31 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: B.O. Plenty
Texas gets back 95 cents from every dollar they send to Washington while Louisiana gets back $1.48 for every dollar they send. That doesn't include Federal Emergency Management spending for everytime a hurricane or tornado tears parts of those states up (which seems to happen quite often) or the value of Federal installations in those states. On the face of it, it seems like Texas is getting a raw deal until you look at what some other states are getting back, then you realize Texas is making out quite well in this arrangement (if you figure in some other intangibles, Texas probably comes out ahead). There are quite a few states that would love to get back 95 cents on their tax dollars (New Jersey only gets back 65 cents and Connecticut gets back 67 cents). I am sure they hate paying taxes too but you don't hear them constantly whining about how unfair it is and if anybody should be complaining, it should be those states who are picking up the slack, NOT Texas or Louisiana or West Virginia or Alaska or North Dakota or Mississippi or any other state that gets more than it gives or breaks even.

Tx and La are great places with fine people but both states rely heavily on Federal assistance/programs/government installations and would suffer without it. It seems a bit hypocritical to complain so loudly about taxes and Federal spending when you are clearly benefitting from it far more than many of your sister states.

I apologize for ruffling any feathers of my honored friends in the great states of Texas and Louisiana but "looking a gift horse in the mouth" really aggravates me. If you want to secede, that's your choice but before you go, the least you could do is return the money we have sent to you over the years.

28 posted on 06/30/2003 7:39:04 PM PDT by XRdsRev
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To: TXnMA
Secession might not even be necessary. IIRC, The Republic of Texas' ageement to join the U.S. as a state included the right for Texas -- at any time -- to split itself into (as many as) five (5) States. Think of the possibilities with ten (10) senators!

Whoa! there...I Think Kalifornia has the same deal...cancels out... :|

29 posted on 06/30/2003 7:41:55 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: B.O. Plenty
One political question we have to answer is whether George W. Bush or Albert Gore shall be president, and just which party will control the House of Representatives and the Senate. But I'd suggest that there's a far more important long-run question we must answer: If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives, and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences, or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?

"Liberty?" Is that what the struggle against homosexuality is about? I beg to differ.

When will conservatives stop the rhetoric that identifies libertarianism as conservatism's central tenet? Our liberal enemies can only call us hypocrites and laugh at us. Yet every movement towards immorality is portrayed by conservative/libertarian rhetoric as a "restriction of freedom."

There are some issues more important than the amount of freedom or size of government. All societies are required by the Creator of the Universe to outlaw homosexual acts and make them punishable by death. That's what this is about.

I realize this may offend some FReepers, but the use of people's moral instincts to promote libertarianism is very dishonest.

30 posted on 06/30/2003 7:48:08 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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To: XRdsRev
If Texas only gets back ninety-five cents for every dollar sent to Washington, then I don't think we owe you any money.
31 posted on 06/30/2003 7:50:20 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Well, I'm hoping that this time y'all will listen to the advice that Sam Houston tried to give ya the last time we heard talk like this. ;-)

Sam's advice was right only insofar as Texas would have been better off on its own without the confederacy. We held our own throughout the entire war. No sizable yankee army even took hold on our soil until a month after Lee surrendered.

Those that had come during the war were chased out almost as fast as they landed, and the ones that landed were few at that. Lincoln's biggest invasion force contained some 5,000 in the lead men with 15,000 more following right behind them. Every single one of them, or at least those who survived the battle, scattered back to New Orleans in shame after being defeated by a mere 44 Texans with six small cannons at an earthen fort. True story.

32 posted on 06/30/2003 7:51:36 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: XRdsRev
Thanks for your gracious comments but I don't think this discussion is about money. It is about where governmental power should reside and most of us think it should reside very close to home where we can get our hands on it when necessary. We also think it should be minimal, another point Walter E. Williams made.
33 posted on 06/30/2003 7:52:13 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: TXnMA
Get real: If the rats can block redistricting, and Ratcliff (rino) in the Senate et ilk with a few others, how in the plu perfect hell is this even a conceivable idea to waste the time to post?
34 posted on 06/30/2003 7:52:52 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: Zionist Conspirator
. All societies are required by the Creator of the
 Universe to outlaw homosexual acts and make
 them punishable by death. That's what this is about.

Well, no, and neither is the hokey-pokey.

. The Georgia Supreme Court noted:

The individual's right to freely exercise his or her liberty is not dependent upon whether the majority believes such exercise to be moral, dishonorable, or wrong. Simply because something is beyond the pale of "majoritarian morality" does not place it beyond the scope of constitutional protection. To allow the moral indignation of a majority (or, even worse, a loud and/or radical minority) to justify criminalizing private consensual conduct would be a strike against freedoms paid for and preserved by our forefathers.

35 posted on 06/30/2003 7:54:01 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Sam Houston -- a Texan Unionist hero for all America.

...who died believing that Texas should resume its status as a free and independent nation.

36 posted on 06/30/2003 7:54:31 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: XRdsRev
Texas gets back 95 cents from every dollar they send to Washington
"Keep the change"
-Texas

37 posted on 06/30/2003 7:54:38 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: XRdsRev
Texas gets back 95 cents from every dollar they send to Washington while Louisiana gets back $1.48 for every dollar they send

Call it the New Orleans syndrome ; )

38 posted on 06/30/2003 7:55:38 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
"We held our own throughout the entire war."

We? Quick -- what year is this?
39 posted on 06/30/2003 7:58:18 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: XRdsRev
If you want to secede, that's your choice but before you go, the least you could do is return the money we have sent to you over the years.

Now wait a minute. By your own stats, you say we get back 95 cents for every dollar we give. By my calculations that leaves us at a 5 cent deficit, so why should we have to give you anything?

40 posted on 06/30/2003 7:58:33 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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