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To: B.O. Plenty
One political question we have to answer is whether George W. Bush or Albert Gore shall be president, and just which party will control the House of Representatives and the Senate. But I'd suggest that there's a far more important long-run question we must answer: If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives, and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences, or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?

"Liberty?" Is that what the struggle against homosexuality is about? I beg to differ.

When will conservatives stop the rhetoric that identifies libertarianism as conservatism's central tenet? Our liberal enemies can only call us hypocrites and laugh at us. Yet every movement towards immorality is portrayed by conservative/libertarian rhetoric as a "restriction of freedom."

There are some issues more important than the amount of freedom or size of government. All societies are required by the Creator of the Universe to outlaw homosexual acts and make them punishable by death. That's what this is about.

I realize this may offend some FReepers, but the use of people's moral instincts to promote libertarianism is very dishonest.

30 posted on 06/30/2003 7:48:08 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
. All societies are required by the Creator of the
 Universe to outlaw homosexual acts and make
 them punishable by death. That's what this is about.

Well, no, and neither is the hokey-pokey.

. The Georgia Supreme Court noted:

The individual's right to freely exercise his or her liberty is not dependent upon whether the majority believes such exercise to be moral, dishonorable, or wrong. Simply because something is beyond the pale of "majoritarian morality" does not place it beyond the scope of constitutional protection. To allow the moral indignation of a majority (or, even worse, a loud and/or radical minority) to justify criminalizing private consensual conduct would be a strike against freedoms paid for and preserved by our forefathers.

35 posted on 06/30/2003 7:54:01 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
When will conservatives stop the rhetoric that identifies libertarianism as conservatism's central tenet? Our liberal enemies can only call us hypocrites and laugh at us. Yet every movement towards immorality is portrayed by conservative/libertarian rhetoric as a "restriction of freedom." There are some issues more important than the amount of freedom or size of government. All societies are required by the Creator of the Universe to outlaw homosexual acts and make them punishable by death. That's what this is about.

I've only been on FR for half a year, and until then I never heard much from libertarians. Now I see that they are worse than liberals, as well as mostly psychotic. (the drugs?) They equate vice with liberty. At least the regular liberals don't pretend they want liberty.

The logcial result of libertarianism is totalitarianism, after society completely breaks down in anarchy, so there woudn't be much freedom anyway. Except for the top dog.

Someone put a link to this website tonight - if you haven't seen it yet, you might like it.

http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/

55 posted on 07/01/2003 12:24:44 AM PDT by First Amendment
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