This is the proposed Constitutional Marriage Amendment

self ^ | 6/30/2003 | unk

[longtermmemmory]

"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman."

"Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

[aristeides]

Even if it makes it through the states, the Senate is another matter.

Congressional votes come first. If it doesn't make it through the Senate, it doesn't get to the states. (But now that Frist has come out for it, Anti-Guv is probably right that the Democrats will have to openly oppose it to stop it in the Senate. If they do, then it becomes an issue in 2004.)

[lelio]

What about Jamie Lee Curtis? She has an extra Y chromosome. Is she not permitted to marry now?

[Jim Noble]

We cannot effectively impeach them; we cannot appeal the legislation they impose. They are all-powerful.

No they aren't.

They are entirely subject to the limits Congress places on their appellate powers (see ex parte McCardle).

If there are enough votes in Congress to amend the effin' Constitution, there are certainly enough votes to limit the jurisdiction of the Court over this and many other matters.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

This crap is radioactive in the 'burbs on the coasts and in the Heartland. It probably doesn't play that well down South.

What polls are you citing! Good lord, this is pure populism to be against Gay marriage. Its something like 80% are opposed it. The numbers have shocked me. I'm all for building up an opponent to prevent them outflanking you, but if you are actually saying that this, along with Dean's other positions are setting him up for anything beyond and McGovern-esk landslide you are kidding yourself.

[Viva Le Dissention]

And by the way, it is a joke, but a bad one at that.

What, gays marrying each other? Oh, the horror. I mean, it's not like a black person and a white person were getting married. THEN I could see a constitutional amendment. I mean, god, the moral fiber of society has just been ripped apart by interracial marriages; frankly, I don't see how people function in a day-to-day environment with blacks and whites married to each other.

This said, once gays can get married, the universe will truly tear itself apart by its immoral threads. Anarchy will erupt, governments will crumble, and warlords will again roam the Earth.

Or the sun will come up and it'll be exactly the same as the day before, with no change to your life whatsoever.

[AntiGuv]

How about $100 on Indiana ratification within three years from the date of submission by Congress to the States.

[Sabertooth]

Precident is law, which is why their "ruling" is so important. Law is based on it now, so unless we impeach those members of the Supreme Court (not going to happen) a counter measure has to be establish or Gay Marriage is a done deal.

Absolutely true. The inevitable consequence of the culture war was that the side of traditional values would eventually fight back. Now, people are complaining that they are, because the thugs and bullies on the Left are just about to get their asses kicked.

[dogbyte12]

What about people born XXY? Hermaphrodites? They have both male and female sexual equipment. Are they allowed to pick and choose which sex they want to marry, or are we going to classify them as either male or female? Or because they are part male, part female, anybody they marry would be considered a same sex marriage.

[Viva Le Dissention]

And I win should it never clear Congress?

[AntiGuv]

What, gays marrying each other?

I have no problem with gays marrying, in fact I think it would strengthen society & marriage as an institution (if you sweep away all the domestic partner & civil union statutes). However, I acknowledge that a great number of people hate gays explicitly or implicitly and will behave accordingly.

I agree with the sentiment behind the rest of your remarks.. In the grand scheme of things, however, no one cares what I think..

[Sabertooth]

Or the sun will come up and it'll be exactly the same as the day before, with no change to your life whatsoever.

That will happen after the Constitution is Amended, you know.

[AntiGuv]

I won't wager on whether it will clear Congress because I don't think George W. Bush or a great part of the Republican establishment wants this Federal Marriage Amendment or any other antigay initiatives. Having said that, I'm quite uncertain to what lengths the administration may go to prevent passage without alienating the conservative base (to whom Bush offers nothing but symbolism, anyhow).

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Now, people are complaining that they are, because the thugs and bullies on the Left are just about to get their asses kicked.

An important point to remember here is that Free Republic is not representative of the US population. I know, I know, its insulting, but there are alot of big 'L' Libertarians here who's position can best be described as leaning towards the anarchy side of the spectrum. The stone cold reality is that this issue against Gay Marriage doesn't even get the kind of semi-passionate debate in the real world (not the TV show, that Gaystapo program would have lots of debate) as we do here.

Put it to a vote, I double dog gone dare you people. They did in Leftist paradise Oregon and it got beat 80-20, with the Gaystapo putting all its limpwristed push behind it. Lets vote.

[TheDon]

LOL!

[TheDon]

Ain't that the truth.

[Viva Le Dissention]

Look, you're probably right about the vast majority of people being opposed to gay marriage, but that's an entirely different thing than people voting for a Constitutional Amendment.

Hey, I'm not the world's biggest fan of gay marriage, but the fact is that it just plain doesn't affect me, whether it's legal or not, and I'm SURE not going to vote for any Constitutional Amendment. Frankly, I think the Bill of Rights would have been a lot better if they would have stopped after "Congress shall make no law."

So to give the federal government more power for no particular reason? No way.

[StriperSniper]

You stole my post.

Sorry!;-) That happens to Me all the time.

transexuals could claim

That was the first thing that came to mind today when listening to Rush, he mentioned "all three sexes"(it was just hearing him use the phrase, it had nothing to do with what he was saying). I knew this was going to get ugly. Had it been struck on an equal protection basis as O'Conner wrote, it would not have had as far reaching implications.

[SauronOfMordor]

The same way we handle polygamy from the middle east or africa. The first wife is recognized the second, third, and fourth are not. (had a case with this issue)

How about marriages where the wife is younger than eligible marriage age in any of the 50 US states (Mohammad's 9-year-old bride comes to mind)?

[steplock]

RED signifies Completion.

Gramsci-(original Italian) = Gramschi = Gramski-(sp prefered by communists)
Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937

A.The New Order (L'Ordine Nuovo)
1.Italian Communist newspaper, founded 1919
2.Co-founder of Italian Communist Party, 1921
3.Pre-Prison Writings, ed. Richard Bellamy (Cambridge, 1994)
4.Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Intl. Publishers, 1971)

B.Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail
1.The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
2.When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism

C.Gradual revolution through infiltration & subversion by revolutionaries
1.Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
2.Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
3.Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
4.Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
5.Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
6.Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons


D.Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as "global understanding," "economic development," "transfer of resources"

E.Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
1.Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
a.Terror will only drive Religion underground
b.Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
c.So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men

2.Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
a.Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
b.Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
(1)Cause financial and sexual scandals
(2)See that this is given a high profile in the news
(3)Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate


3.Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church

F.When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
1.National Consensus
2.Popular Mandate
3.National Pacification
4.Pluralism
5.Global Community
6.Economic Justice
7.Economic Democracy
8.Liberation Theology
9.Direct Action

G.Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread." Gramski's Archives:

http://www.cruznet.net/~marcus/gramsci-links.html

[Man_of_Reason]

BINGO!!!!