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MOM'S SAUDI HELL
New York Post ^
| 6-21-03
| ED ROBINSON and CYNTHIA R. FAGEN
Posted on 06/24/2003 12:19:54 AM PDT by JustPiper
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:14:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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A desperate American mother of two who escaped from her tyrannical Saudi husband and sought asylum at a U.S. consulate six days ago has decided to stay put until her children can come home with her. Sarah Saga, who turned 24 yesterday, fled with her two children, Ibrahim, 5, and Hanin, 3, from a prison-like home life with her husband and his family in a desperate bid for freedom.
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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; kidnapped; liars; sarahsaga; saudi
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:19:54 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
To: prisoner6; Steve Eisenberg; Andy from Beaverton; etcetera; A_perfect_lady; Courier; cgk; ...
Sarah Picture Ping!
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:20:59 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: All
If we write the US Consulate in Saudi and DC, they will keep Sarah and her children until they can come here!
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:24:19 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: Ready4Freddy; dennisw; netmilsmom; eyespysomething; darkwing104; Courier; SJackson
Current Sarah update/pic Ping!
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:32:59 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: JustPiper
Praying for Sarah - our God knows her, and he knows her need. Father, let this mother stay with her children, and let her be able to set them free...
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:45:26 AM PDT
by
dandelion
To: JustPiper
Thanks Piper. Do you know if anyone ever figure out a way that we could funnel a little money to Sarah so she can "pay for her own meals" while she's in the Consulate?
To: JustPiper
What happened to her hands and arms in that picture? Is that a tatoo? Burns?
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posted on
06/24/2003 1:28:50 AM PDT
by
SkyPilot
(""First Tim, let me say, I don't know, I can't answer that." --Howard Dean to Russert (27 times))
To: dandelion
Amen and thank you for this prayer!
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posted on
06/24/2003 1:52:22 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: BagCamAddict
Matter of fact I think I read something on Pat's site, I've read so many articles in two days I forget where they all are ;) Yes, they are saved to my favs, problem is knowing which had the info?
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posted on
06/24/2003 1:53:49 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: SkyPilot
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posted on
06/24/2003 1:56:21 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: SkyPilot
I have a feeling that just that photograph of her could cost her her life.
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posted on
06/24/2003 2:14:38 AM PDT
by
ChemistCat
(Transformers look just as good by morning light as they did the night before.)
To: JustPiper
bttt
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posted on
06/24/2003 4:38:01 AM PDT
by
firewalk
To: JustPiper
What is that horrible scar on her hand and arm? Was she burned?
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posted on
06/24/2003 5:33:04 AM PDT
by
Alouette
(Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
To: JustPiper
Is there anyway we can contact her, you know, to let her know how much support she has? Hmmm, off on a mission, I'll be back
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posted on
06/24/2003 5:54:08 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
To: JustPiper
Any woman dumb enough to marry a muslim ...
To: JustPiper
contact information for the US Consulate in Jeddah:
http://jeddah.usconsulate.gov/wwwhj1.html Phone: (966-2) 667-0080
Fax: (966-2) 660-2567
P.O. Box 149, Jeddah 21411
The Consulate General:
Consul General Gina Abercrombie-Winstanley
Gina Abercrombie-Winstanley joined the Foreign Service in 1985 and served as Consul in Baghdad, before being posted to Jakarta and Cairo. She then served as Special Assistant for Middle Eastern and African Affairs to Deputy, and later Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger. After a year of advanced Arabic, she served as Political Officer at the Embassy in Tel Aviv with responsibility for the Gaza Strip. Before her current posting as Consul General in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, she was Policy Advisor to the Director of the Near East South Asia Center for Strategic Studies at the Department of Defense, Senior Advisor for Middle Eastern Affairs at USUN, Director for Near East South Asian Affairs with responsibility for the Arabian Peninsula at the National Security Council of the White House and Director for Legislative Affairs, also at the NSC. Prior to that, she was awarded a Pearson fellowship and worked on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for the Ranking Member, Senator Joseph Biden.
Ms. Abercrombie Winstanley has a Bachelors degree from George Washington University and a Masters degree from Johns Hopkins University and is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations. She is married and has two children.
________________________________________________
Good Grief! She's a MOTHER WITH KIDS!
Here's the contact infor for the consular section. The phone numbner is the same but the fax is different.
Consular Section
Telephone: (966-2) 667-0080
Fax: (966-2) 669-3078/98
P.O. Box 149, Jeddah 21411
Maybe I should call? Fax? Any ideas? Do you think they'd let me talk to her?
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posted on
06/24/2003 6:09:58 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
To: moyden2000
Any woman dumb enough to marry a muslim ...Read the story
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posted on
06/24/2003 6:11:07 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
To: eyespysomething
This is interesting:
http://edwardjayepstein.com/nether_WWDK4.htm The Jeddah Ciphers...
Between April 23 and June 29, 2001, thirteen men obtained visas to come to United States based on identities they presented at the American Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Jeddah consulate had an express visa program to expedite such requests. The identities of the applicants had ubiquitous Arab tribal names (See alphabetic list below*), so common as to be almost untraceable by the Embassy. Since none of these identities previously had traveled to the United States, and were otherwise clean, they were not on any watch list. Most of these names were of young men from in the southern provinces of Saudi Arabia who had not been heard from by their families for many months, and, in some cases, years. According to relatives, many of these missing youth had gone to fight the Russians in Chechnya years before.
After arriving in America, the group stayed in pairs in cheap hotel rooms, mainly in south Florida. Soon after arriving, they applied for driver licenses and opened joint bank accounts. One of them, using the name Fayez Ahmed got a VISA and ATM cards in Florida and Ahmed used the cards to pay the living expenses for most of the other Jeddah conspirators. These cars were funded through a checking account at a Standard Chartered Bank branch in Dubai, United Arab Emirate in the name of Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi.
In the last week in August, the thirteen men booked first class tickets on September 11th flight American Airlines flights 11 and 77, and United Airlines flights 175 and 93 over the airline web sites, paying with their Visa cards. After the hijacking, the FBI found 12 of the 13 names on the flight manifest ( Since Fayed Ahmed was not listed on the manifests of any of the flights, the FBI theorized he had assumed the alias Banihammad Fayez, who was on the manifest of Flight 175. )
It is not in doubt that the 13 men who came from Jeddah were hijackers on September 11th.
Here is what we do not know:
1. Were the hijackers the missing men. Or did unknown men use their identities for the mission?
Consider, the case of Abdulaziz Alomari. The day after the hijacking the FBI identified him in an affidavit as a hijacker who died on flight 11. The FBI also published his photo, Abdulaziz Alomari then came forward in Saudi Arabia and informed the authorities that his passport had been stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver (he reported the identity theft at the time.) I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." In this case, the conspirators had obtained his passport and provided it to an impersonator who resembled him. The impersonator then used the stolen identity to get a visa from the American consulate in Jeddah, obtain a Florida drivers license and, on August 28, book seat 8G on AA Flight 11. He then few to Boston on September 6th, drove to Portland, Maine on September 10th, and on September 11th used the driver license photo ID to board a connecting flight in Boston and Flight 11. Whoever he was, he was not Abdulaziz Alomari.
2. The identity of the other 12 men is also in question. In some cases, relatives identified the photographs from the visa files as ones resembling their missing relatives, but such identifications meant only that the missing mens photos were used to get the visas (which would be expected in identity theft). There were independent photos of only two of the thirteen men. Alomari and Moqed were photographed by security cameras in the United States. But, it turned out, Alomari had been a stolen identity and no one came forth to identify Moqed. So, it could not determined if any of these thirteen hijackers were the missing men whose names had been used to apply for visas.
3. If these hijackers were not the missing Saudis, who were they? Were they pilots? Navigators? Commandos?
4. Where were they trained?
5. Who assembled the identity papers of the missing men and made then available to the hijackers? A state intelligence service which is in the business of preparing legends for its agents or a Jihad organization, which would have access to the papers of men killed in Chechnya, or another group?
6. Who financed them through the Dubai account? The name on
the account, Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi, turned out to be an alias.
*- The names used by the hijackers were: Abdulaziz Alomari, Banihammad Fayez, Ahmed al-Ghamdi, Hamza al-Ghamdi, Saaed al-Ghamdi, Salem al-Hamzi, Ahmed al-Haznawi, Majed Moqed, Ahmed al-Nami, Waled al-Shehri, Wail al-Shehri, Mohald al-Shehri, and Satam al-Suqami
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posted on
06/24/2003 6:17:33 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
To: eyespysomething
This must happen a lot because here is the State Dept page dealing with just child abductions in Saudi Arabia.
http://travel.state.gov/abduction_saudi.html Saudi Arabia - International Parental Child Abduction
DISCLAIMER: The information in this circular relating to the legal requirements of specific foreign countries is provided for general information only. Questions involving interpretation of specific foreign laws should be addressed to foreign legal counsel.
GENERAL INFORMATION: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is not a party to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, nor are there any international or bilateral treaties in force between Saudi Arabia and the United States dealing with international parental child abduction. American citizens who travel to Saudi Arabia are subject to the jurisdiction of Saudi courts, as well as to the country's laws and regulations. This holds true for all legal matters including child custody. Parents planning to travel with their children to Saudi Arabia should bear this in mind.
snip >Saudi courts generally do not award custody of children to non-Saudi women.
snip >Even when a mother who is residing in Saudi Arabia is granted physical custody of children, the father maintains legal custody and has the right to determine where the children live and travel. In many cases, the father has been able to assume legal custody of children against the wishes of the mother when she is unable or unwilling to meet certain conditions set by law for her to maintain her custodial rights. For example, if the mother moves to another country, the father is entitled to have custody.
snip >ENFORCEMENT OF FOREIGN JUDGMENTS: Custody orders and judgments of foreign courts are generally not enforceable in Saudi Arabia. For example, an order from a U.S. court granting custody to an American parent will not be honored in Saudi Arabia.
snip >DUAL NATIONALITY: Dual nationality is not recognized under Saudi law. Children of Saudi fathers automatically acquire Saudi citizenship at birth, regardless of where the child was born.
snip >TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS: Exit visas are required to leave Saudi Arabia. The U.S. Embassy or Consulates General cannot obtain exit visas for American citizens. Women must have permission from their husband or father to exit Saudi Arabia. The government of Saudi Arabia has been known to issue international arrest warrants against women who have taken their children from Saudi Arabia without the father's permission.
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posted on
06/24/2003 6:23:48 AM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
To: JustPiper
I'll probably get flamed for this. But it appears to me that Saga's mom was the start of all of this, by marrying a Saudi in the first place.
Poor girl, she needs to forget her children and move on with her life.
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posted on
06/24/2003 6:33:43 AM PDT
by
AxelPaulsenJr
(Shriner's Childrens Hospitals Provide Free Medical Care to Those In Need.)
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