Hillary Convinced Bill to Bomb Serbia

Truth In Media ^ | June 11, 2003 | Bob Djurdjevic

[uplandgame]

Remember the cover story "Madeleine's War" from a May 1999 TIME magazine edition? As you may recall, a popular opinion at the time was Madeleine Albright was the person the most responsible for the bombing of Serbia four years ago.

Well, think again. Without trying to exonerate or excuse Clinton's war-mongering secretary of state whose Serbo-phobia has been well documented and demonstrated, we want you to know that there may have been another woman who deserves at least part of the credit - Hillary Clinton.

The avalanche of publicity brought on by Hillary Clinton's new book, released this week, also washed up an old interview that has suddenly become very topical. Michael Savage, a national radio host, interviewed Gail Sheehy, author of a flattering Hillary biography, on December 18, 1999. Sheehy claimed in her book that it was Hillary, not "Madam Halfbright," who convinced Bill to bomb Serbia. So Savage took the author to task over that and the bogus "intelligence" upon which this bombing was "justified" to the American public.

Check out the following excerpt from the Savage interview if you want to see how Savage savaged this Hillary fan...

Excerpts from a Michael Savage December 18, 1999 radio interview with Gail Sheehy, author of the (flattering) book about Hillary Clinton, "Hillary's Choice:"

G. Sheehy: Hillary did persuade Bill Clinton to bomb in Kosovo, and what she said to him in phone calls over 48 hours from North Africa in March of ‘99: "You can’t let this ethnic cleansing go on at the end of the century that has seen the Holocaust."

M. Savage: But it turns out that was false because the original estimates of 100,000 were now reduced to 10,000 by the State Department, and yet the UN inspection team has only found 2,200 bodies. So this could turn out to be the greatest disaster of her, of her entire life.

G. Sheehy: Well, I don’t know about that. But we’re getting way, way far away from any...

M. Savage: Well, wait a minute, we’re not far away from the UN, which went to the ground, looked for the bodies, and found 2,200 dead bodies. This was one of the greatest war crimes of our age according to many international people who know that, including liberal democrats.

G. Sheehy: Well, I really don’t know what, whether, the facts have all come out. And I don’t think we will know for a while. It’s one of those ongoing stories...

M. Savage: No, it’s not. Here, wait a minute, before we go on, we can’t just say the facts don’t exist. The UN spent a lot of time looking for the mass graves. They said there were only about 2,200 bodies that were found. They don’t even know how many of those are Serbian bodies. And then just last week the State Department revised downward their 100,000 figure of dead Kosovar Albanians to 10,000 even though the UN only said 2,200. This is turning out... and I don’t think you, I don’t think you want to defend Hillary on this.

G. Sheehy: [Unintelligible] ... a small number. In any case,...

M. Savage: But does that, wait, does that justify bombing an entire nation into the stone age?

G. Sheehy: Wait, wait. We, they didn’t, they didn’t bomb it into the stone age...

M. Savage: There are no bridges left on the Danube River. The people have no heating oil; they have no food.

G. Sheehy: I’m not going to sit here and debate with you the rightness and the wrongness of the bombing in Kosovo. All I’m telling you is what I know. That’s all I can tell you.

M. Savage: But what you don’t know is that there is more to it than what you do know.

G. Sheehy: Well, Hillary and you and the American public did not know any of this at that time...

M. Savage: Yes, we did. I beg... Excuse, excuse me, Gail Sheehy, many Jewish people who had been sheltered by the Serbian people were on this program and were outraged that we were killing our allies who rescued our airmen in World War II. We got people on who were former prosecutors at Nuernberg against Hitler, on this program, liberal Democrats, going back to FDR, who were outraged at what the Clintons had done with our airplanes, giving them to NATO. So don’t say that we didn’t know. We knew it even then.

G. Sheehy: No, we didn’t know. They...

M. Savage: How can you tell us we didn’t know, when we debated it here?

G. Sheehy: Well, they didn’t have observers; they didn’t even have UN observers at that point...

M. Savage: So how did they make up a hundred thousand?

G. Sheehy: Conditions were so severe they couldn’t even keep... they pulled out the UN observers -- if you remember.

M. Savage: So how did they raise it to a hundred thousand if they didn’t know?

G. Sheehy: I don’t know. That’s the reporting that we had at that time.

M. Savage: In other words, it was propaganda that Hillary Clinton used. It was propaganda that Hillary Clinton used in order to justify the unjustifiable.

G. Sheehy: They didn’t know any better than you knew.

M. Savage: Oh, they didn’t know any better than I did, and they’re the president and his wife. So what does that say about them?

G. Sheehy: Well, what did they know about the Los Alamos spying?

M. Savage: What did they know about it? Aren’t they supposed to know about it? What the hell are they doing there?

G. Sheehy: There’s a lot of agencies, and they often don’t do their job, do they? Whether it’s the FBI or the CIA, they often don’t do their job very well.

M. Savage: Well, it sounds like you’re apologizing for every one of their mistakes.

G. Sheehy: I’m not apologizing for any of their mistakes. I’m saying to you that at the time, in March ‘99, this whole country was in a dilemna about what to do about what appeared to be a massive, minor holocaust in Kosovo.

M. Savage: Wait a minute. What do you mean "it appeared to be"? It was a complete fabrication of the KLA. It was propaganda pure and simple.

G. Sheehy: It wasn’t a complete fabrication. 10,000 people...

M. Savage: No, Mam. It was not 10,000. I just told you they only found 2,200 bodies...

G. Sheehy: But you said 10,000...

M. Savage: No, I said the State Department revised their figure from 100,000 down to 10,000, when the UN says there were only 2,200. The State Department is notorious for lying.

G. Sheehy: Alright, so there are two figures there, the 2,200 and the 10,000. That’s why the... I don’t know that the...

M. Savage: So wait a minute. Again, I don’t want to turn the whole show into that...

G. Sheehy: This is not about Hillary’s Choice. This is about your problem with Kosovo. So you can argue about...

M. Savage: No, No, but you’re...

G. Sheehy: I don’t know anything about Kosovo. Let me just put that right out there.

M. Savage: Alright, I know a lot about Kosovo...

G. Sheehy: ...Hillary convinced the president to bomb, and that’s my contribution.

M. Savage: OK.

G. Sheehy: Don’t you want to talk about the book?

M. Savage: Before we go on, I want to say this. In your book you say it was Hillary who pushed the president into bombing Kosovo, correct?

G. Sheehy: I said she convinced him to do it.

M. Savage: OK, but if it turns out that she was doing it based upon wrong information, what would that make of her in your mind?

G. Sheehy: Well, I don’t have any... I’m not going to speculate. I don’t know that you’ll ever find out what information she or the president had. Nobody ever comes up with those things. I’m not going to speculate on that.

M. Savage: But you’re speculating on the fact that Hillary did it based on good information.

G. Sheehy: I’m going to tell you this: Hillary Clinton, for her many flaws and foibles, which every human being has, is a person who, who is honest and who acts on her convictions. In this case, I believe that her conviction was that this was a massive ethnic-cleansing campaign that was killing innocent...

M. Savage: But what if it turns out it was all propaganda?

G. Sheehy: She, I don’t believe that she would have done it. Why would she want to risk the presidency doing something based on propaganda?

M. Savage: Well, yeah, let me ask you this. Have there been no other people in history who have done things, either mistakenly or on purpose, for other reasons than they appear to be doing them for?

G. Sheehy: Look, I’m not going to speculate on this. It’s just lunacy. We don’t know any more, you don’t know any more and...

M. Savage: Excuse me, you keep putting words in my mouth. I know an awful lot about Kosovo. You may know nothing about Kosovo.

G. Sheehy: ...You can’t get anything out of me because I don’t know anything more...

M. Savage: Alright, so you don’t know anything about Kosovo. I know a lot about Kosovo...

G. Sheehy: That’s great. Then you should lecture on Kosovo...

M. Savage: I have done many lectures on Kosovo. But I’m asking you how it is that Hillary Clinton could take a figure like 100,000 people, push the president into bombing Kosovo, and get away with it? Isn’t there some kind of connection between that and a massive government-media-complex cover-up? Why don’t they go there and investigate it like the UN has?

G. Sheehy: Look, they thought, like many people thought at the time, that this could not go on at the end of the century that had seen the Holocaust. That...

M. Savage: But there was no holocaust.

G. Sheehy: ...the rape of women and children because they were of a certain ethnic background...

M. Savage: OK, how about the Serbs being killed now? How about the Serbs being killed now by the Kosovar Albanians?

G. Sheehy: I don’t want to talk about this any more. If you want to talk about Hillary’s Choice, we can continue the conversation...

M. Savage: But what about the holocaust against the Serbs right now?

G. Sheehy: You know, you want me to be funny? Why don’t you let me tell a funny story.

M. Savage: I think you’re being very funny right now.

[gitmogrunt]

For the their support of the attack on Serbia,I wonder if any of the Rodham Republicans received a thank you card from the KLA and their Al Qaeda allies, which was sent air mail delivery, and postmarked 911?

[drypowder]

Great post! I hope the majority of us never forget that in Hillary's quest the lives of others, not even children, means nothing to her. The US led NATO bombing of Serbia proves how anti-Christian the Clintons really are.

[uplandgame]

Bump

[DannyTN]

I always wondered if we were fighting on the right side in Kosovo. It now sounds like there is no evidence to support Clinton's cause for war.

[JohnGalt]

Think about your post and how it relates to the current events in Iraq.

[lilylangtree]

Remember the Clintoons were famous for bombing countries as a distraction against the erupting Clintoon sexual scandals. So, in March 1999, along with the bombing of Serbia was the beginning of the Susan MacDougal trial. Remember her?

[Hoplite]

It now sounds like there is no evidence to support Clinton's cause for war.

And if you restrict yourself to the incompetent ramblings of the lie and deny brigade on FR's Balkans threads, you'll never be any much the wiser.

Take heed.

[DannyTN]

"And if you restrict yourself to the incompetent ramblings of the lie and deny brigade on FR's Balkans threads, you'll never be any much the wiser."

Are you implying that the article is wrong? That there is not a discrepancy between Clinton's justification for bombing and the UN findings? If so, is it the UN findings that are wrong? or the reporting of the UN findings?

[Hoplite]

Of course the article is wrong - over 5,000 bodies have been recovered since Milosevic was booted out from first Kosovo and then Serbia, and approximately 1,000 of those were exhumed from sites within Serbia, where they were safe from discovery until Milosevic's ouster.

As to the author of this little gem, take a look at his views on America.

Kinda speaks for itself, doesn't it?

[Pagey]

Really.I honestly had no idea that we did that.Point taken.

[martianagent]

I always wondered if we were fighting on the right side in Kosovo. It now sounds like there is no evidence to support Clinton's cause for war.

Clinton basically bombed an innocent country into dust to take a credible rape allegation against himself off the front pages of our newspapers.

[DannyTN]

"Kinda speaks for itself, doesn't it?"

Just like a sound bite often speaks for itself, but may not be at all what the person said. Where is the article that goes with the image?

[DannyTN]

So you claim 5000 bodies have been recovered the article claims UN figures are 2200 and that the US state department revised it's numbers down from 100,000 before the war to 10,000 after the war.

That's still a huge discrepancy. You just backed up the article instead of refuting it.

[DannyTN]

"Depleted Uranium is used in conventional armor piercing amunition. It's a standard practice by US forces. We've hosed Irag full of it too. That's just the way it goes. "

Isn't depleted Uranium also known as "lead". It's not very radioactive, it's "depleted".

[Hoplite]

Great - find where the State Dept said there were 100,000 bodies.

You wanted a discrepancy, you got one.

[uplandgame]

Would you please reveal your sources regarding those 5000 bodies exhumed in Kosovo?

I hope you will not try a fast one with a Refrigirator truck story.

Also, last time (today) I checked United Nations site, Milosevic has been accused by kangaroo court in Hague, based on command responsibility, for 327 deaths, including 40 deads from Racak fight. With all the heavy fighting between Yugo Army and KLA terrorists (1997-1999) number of killed in fighting appears to be much lower then recent reports from Iraq and Afghanistan.

[uplandgame]

Danny,

Here is the article you asked Hoplite to produce. I find WHEN CULTURES COLLIDE... an interesting read.

With all due respect, I find Hoplite only being interested in obfuscation and denial when it comes to Balkan.

[CyberAnt]

Okay everybody - do you now realize why the story about "no WMD" is circulating. It's just another "projection" technique in action - accuse other people of what you are doing (or have already done). This is the usual: "everybody does it" statement the dems always use.

I knew there was more to it than the fact the dems didn't have an issue - this is just cover-up of the x42 regime - AGAIN!!!

[uplandgame]

Bump

[DannyTN]

You first claimed the article was "lie and deny". Then you said the UN numbers were wrong. Then you said the Nato estimates were wrong. You are a moving target.

I think I found the discrepancy. It's name is "Hoplite".

The following website and the exerpt from that website cite the London Times and the Boston Globe referring to the NATO estimate of 100,000 killed. I verified that both the Boston Globe article and the NY Times article existed, but without paying couldn't read the full text. Nevertheless the free Times article excerpt has enough to know that the article is about war crimes inspectors being surprised about the number of killed Albanians.

http://www.tenc.net/milo/freezer1.htm#_ftn1

The Times (London), November 2, 1999, Tuesday, Features, 553 words, Kosovo’s corpse count.

The Hague has recently offered an interesting prevarication for the 100,000 figure on NATO’s behalf:

[Quote From Boston Globe Starts Here]

[Graham T.] Blewitt [the deputy chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia], said that the 100,000 figure of missing Kosovars was accurate when given, but that the vast majority of that number had fled Kosovo when Serb forces began a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing after the NATO bombing began. He said tens of thousands of Kosovars had crossed over into Macedonia to stay with relatives or friends, but that there was no reliable system to account for refugees.

The Boston Globe, September 24, 2000, Sunday, Third Edition, Pg. A4, 815 words, 4,000 "Kosovo Slayings Documented Prosecutor Says Real Toll Unknown," By Kevin Cullen, Globe staff