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FReep this FOX NEWS dot com POLL on abortion!!!
Fox News Dot Com ^
| 6/17/2003
| Fox News Dot Com Poll
Posted on 06/17/2003 3:31:26 PM PDT by xrp
Roe v. "Roe"
Should the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion be overturned?
a. Yes, I support Norma McCorvey's efforts. (60%)
b. No, a woman has the right to choose. (36%)
c. Not sure (4%)
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; freep; poll; tunnel
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To: gcruse
And RvW stands athwart the US becoming Red China. Wowser. That isn't hyperbole, that's a whole other thing. :) Like I said, I haven't the power to give sight to the blind.
61
posted on
06/17/2003 8:29:27 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: gcruse
"Renegade? You mean he goes in without the woman's permission"
I mean he takes an innocent human life, something doctors are, I believe, sworn not to do.
Besides, what validity can be assigned to anyone's permission to take an innocent human life? The KGB had Krushchev's permission to torture suspects; does that make it all right?
62
posted on
06/17/2003 8:31:23 PM PDT
by
dsc
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posted on
06/17/2003 8:34:25 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: dsc
The KGB had Krushchev's permission to torture suspects; does that make it all right? Everything is relative. Ya know.
/sarcasm
64
posted on
06/17/2003 8:35:29 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: gcruse
"Forcing women to take unwanted pregnancies to term doesn't faze you a bit, does it?"
No, not even a bit. That it does "faze" you says only that you are willing to allow the wanton killing of innocent human beings for no better reason than someone else's convenience. I'm hard pressed to think of a notion more morally corrupt than that one.
65
posted on
06/17/2003 8:36:04 PM PDT
by
dsc
To: gcruse; jwalsh07
Surely you can be more introspective and thoughtful on this on an issue that causes so many great pain. I know you can do it. I have seen you do it. You can do better. You need to graple with what state of the fetus is deserving of legal protection, or not, and why, and then discuss an intelligent balancing test. Until you do that, you will just enrage and energize your opposition. My point of view is to try to calm things down, and try to find an intelligent compromise, that at least will mitigate the poison this issue excretes into the public square. I think my way is better. And you will get no where on this issue without being totally honest and fair to the points made by the other side in the sense of seriously considering their arguments. And such arguments deserve serious consideration. JMO, and one based on close to 35 years now of experience. I was there at the creation.
66
posted on
06/17/2003 8:37:11 PM PDT
by
Torie
67
posted on
06/17/2003 8:38:59 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: Torie
Surely you can be more introspective and thoughtful on this on an issue that causes so many great pain. I know you can do it If one is introspective and thoughtful about this issue, one gets thoroughly depressed. It's no wonder those who condone abortion don't want to do that. Ya know, hafta avoid feeling uncomfortable or being inconvenienced in any way.
68
posted on
06/17/2003 8:40:40 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: Torie
Not to me, Torie. Every time I have been on an abortion thread, the prolife side has gone immediately to ad hominem and stayed there. Personal attack seems to be the only way they can think of to deal with someone who values liberty over religion. Two incompatible mindsets, I think. As a result, I don't bring much sympathy to the table, nor do I remain there for long. It is a tar baby, with no side affecting the beliefs of the other, no matter how long it goes on.
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posted on
06/17/2003 8:41:58 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: Terriergal
You have already voted. Displaying current results.
Roe v. "Roe"
Should the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion be overturned?
a. Yes, I support Norma McCorvey's efforts. (62%)
b. No, a woman has the right to choose. (35%)
c. Not sure (3%)
70
posted on
06/17/2003 8:42:06 PM PDT
by
Tribune7
To: Torie
I thank you for your post, but I'm not quite sure where/how you see any place for compromise?
71
posted on
06/17/2003 8:42:17 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: gcruse
someone who values liberty over religion. At what point should the community protect the individual?
72
posted on
06/17/2003 8:44:17 PM PDT
by
Tribune7
To: gcruse
I have attracted few flames on the issue myself, and I take a middle position, probably not shared by more than about 25% or so of Freepers that post. So, perhaps there is something that lacks sensitivity and nuance in the way you express yourself on the issue. Perhaps not.
73
posted on
06/17/2003 8:44:29 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: Terriergal
I am kind of a trimester, continuum kind of guy, with parental notification mandatory except for a court order where patental abuse is proven. I focus on the sentience of the fetus. It is not for everybody, but I think that is where the vital center is on this issue. And we need to clean out the detritus of court activism on this issue, so that it can be discussed and voted upon in the public square. JMO.
74
posted on
06/17/2003 8:46:46 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: Taxman; ladyinred
Agreed. Just saw that book that came out on a webpage. "_Their Blood Cries Out_"
I remember one day back in 1988 I was babysitting at my sister's house and a news story came on about a family whose kids had all been killed by the daughter's jealous boyfriend. He'd taken the set of steak knives in the kitchen and slaughtered the teenage girl, her little 9 yr old sister, and 3 yr old brother, with them. The parents were out to dinner and came home to find police in their front yard. They actually showed footage of the father's reaction at the moment they told him what had happened. The wife just fell to the ground. He was a big tough looking man and started screaming and crying and was generally just beside himself. I was so disturbed I could do nothing but lie flat on the floor and cry for mercy for this country for at least an hour.
and we saction doing this same thing in this country... every... single... day...
75
posted on
06/17/2003 8:50:57 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: dsc
bingo. Especially that last sentence.
I always have to laugh incredulously when people say "now that I have kids, I personally am pro life but I wouldn't force that decision on anyone else..."
76
posted on
06/17/2003 8:52:37 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: Torie
I think we are in agreement. The fetal sentience, IMO, is why abortion in the early weeks is accetable, but partial birth abortion is murder.
77
posted on
06/17/2003 8:53:52 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: Tribune7
Once the individual is sentient. That is, PBA is murder, but not abortion before sentience.
78
posted on
06/17/2003 8:55:12 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: gcruse; Torie
Every time I have been on an abortion thread, the prolife side has gone immediately to ad hominem and stayed there umm... ad hominem? Example here please? Ideologue is an ad hominem attack? Pulllease!
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posted on
06/17/2003 8:56:01 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
To: gcruse; Tribune7
Once the individual is sentient Ok, good now we're getting somewhere. When would sentience occur?
80
posted on
06/17/2003 8:57:29 PM PDT
by
Terriergal
("You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols...." Ez 16:21)
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